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Well said.
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Wednesday, October 22, 2008
Wednesday, August 27, 2008
[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on Reflections on the beauty of waterfalls.
American Puzzle has left a new comment on your post "Reflections on the beauty of waterfalls":
A philosophical poser, indeed. I like "Me's" answer above. This is an excellent question - why is it that we are drawn to certain things we perceive as beautiful, powerful, awe-inspiring? But earth-based phenomena in particular. As for me, I have the same reaction to the ocean as I do to waterfalls - even small lakes, ponds, and rivers to some extent. When I hike, I always seek out the trail with a body of water in some form...but why do I do this? I have no idea - I feel drawn to seek out and observe water, but am not drawn to stand under the fall or play in the lake. The mystery and constancy attract me - in addition to rocks and earth, the water connects me (or any individual) as a human to our interconnected past. We are so dependent on this land and especially water, that dependence likely works its way through our subconscious to become fascination and admiration on the surface. Maybe. :P Or maybe there's an element of fear in our fascination - water, especially waterfalls and the ocean, are uncontrollable by us...anything we can't control fascinates us. Great questions and really enjoyable to read - thanks for sharing! :)
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A philosophical poser, indeed. I like "Me's" answer above. This is an excellent question - why is it that we are drawn to certain things we perceive as beautiful, powerful, awe-inspiring? But earth-based phenomena in particular. As for me, I have the same reaction to the ocean as I do to waterfalls - even small lakes, ponds, and rivers to some extent. When I hike, I always seek out the trail with a body of water in some form...but why do I do this? I have no idea - I feel drawn to seek out and observe water, but am not drawn to stand under the fall or play in the lake. The mystery and constancy attract me - in addition to rocks and earth, the water connects me (or any individual) as a human to our interconnected past. We are so dependent on this land and especially water, that dependence likely works its way through our subconscious to become fascination and admiration on the surface. Maybe. :P Or maybe there's an element of fear in our fascination - water, especially waterfalls and the ocean, are uncontrollable by us...anything we can't control fascinates us. Great questions and really enjoyable to read - thanks for sharing! :)
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Friday, August 15, 2008
[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on Yellowstone buffalo: Borders, migration, and the p....
Jim Macdonald has left a new comment on your post "Yellowstone buffalo: Borders, migration, and the p...":
Hey, thanks again for the comments. The buffalo situation has been out of control for a long time; last year just happened to be the worst.
I enjoyed the essay you just wrote about the "Academic Community" - there's a lot to chew on there in terms of the nature of community and how it's utterly lacking in our society. Look at this correspondence. You are God knows where; I am in Bozeman. We probably have read things that we are thinking about more deeply than people who are close to us in other ways. What then is community? What are these strange new boundaries? How are some overcome so easily, creating quasi-communities, not so in others? How much more disconnected and connected can we become?
That goes in some part why I feel such connection to the buffalo and to the indigenous peoples on the plains who have been severed from that and so many other connections. If we do this for the buffalo, we take a step toward re-drawing boundaries in ways that favor the more sensual / the more experiential aspects of connection; the ones closest to our perception and being.
In many ways, I think we are driving at the same thing, eh?
Cheers,
Jim
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Hey, thanks again for the comments. The buffalo situation has been out of control for a long time; last year just happened to be the worst.
I enjoyed the essay you just wrote about the "Academic Community" - there's a lot to chew on there in terms of the nature of community and how it's utterly lacking in our society. Look at this correspondence. You are God knows where; I am in Bozeman. We probably have read things that we are thinking about more deeply than people who are close to us in other ways. What then is community? What are these strange new boundaries? How are some overcome so easily, creating quasi-communities, not so in others? How much more disconnected and connected can we become?
That goes in some part why I feel such connection to the buffalo and to the indigenous peoples on the plains who have been severed from that and so many other connections. If we do this for the buffalo, we take a step toward re-drawing boundaries in ways that favor the more sensual / the more experiential aspects of connection; the ones closest to our perception and being.
In many ways, I think we are driving at the same thing, eh?
Cheers,
Jim
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[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on Yellowstone buffalo: Borders, migration, and the p....
American Puzzle has left a new comment on your post "Yellowstone buffalo: Borders, migration, and the p...":
First of all, I had no idea the killing of bison was getting so out of control. Yellowstone has such a special place in my heart and mind that this information affects me emotionally. You raise such excellent points about boundaries and their arbitrary nature - also the idea of resistance and silence - when we are silent in such matters as these or wherever we witness injustice, silence is active, not passive. We actively choose to be silent and in that silence some of the worst crimes can be committed.
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First of all, I had no idea the killing of bison was getting so out of control. Yellowstone has such a special place in my heart and mind that this information affects me emotionally. You raise such excellent points about boundaries and their arbitrary nature - also the idea of resistance and silence - when we are silent in such matters as these or wherever we witness injustice, silence is active, not passive. We actively choose to be silent and in that silence some of the worst crimes can be committed.
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Monday, August 11, 2008
[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on Yellowstone buffalo: Borders, migration, and the p....
Dagny has left a new comment on your post "Yellowstone buffalo: Borders, migration, and the p...":
You make a great point that human boundaries have never served animal migration routes well. They need to go where they can survive. That instinct is built in them. If we as humans spent more time observing them than trying to change their biological instincts we might be able to better serve them.
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You make a great point that human boundaries have never served animal migration routes well. They need to go where they can survive. That instinct is built in them. If we as humans spent more time observing them than trying to change their biological instincts we might be able to better serve them.
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Monday, August 4, 2008
[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on Yellowstone and class.
Jim Macdonald has left a new comment on your post "Yellowstone and class":
Hey there,
Thanks for the kind words and the comment.
On foreign workers, I say in the other piece on the company towns of Greater Yellowstone that they too represent a special class - typically workers who are not poor in their own country. Or else, how do you come up with the initial $2,000? College students, professional types, etc. I'm sure I came to Yellowstone originally poorer than most of the foreign workers.
But, the class distinctions and hardships relative to society are the same; one of the points I think I was making in some of these essays was that it's even ironic that people who are relatively privileged get thrust into the lower rungs of the class system as it exists in Yellowstone. It must be doubly so for a foreign worker from a college or professional background suddenly thrust into a position in the United States where so many are xenophobic, so many have stereotypes of immigrant workers, and where these people have been lied to by their employers and put into the unenviable place of having to work extra jobs just to make it back or to earn the money for their own studies or their families.
Anyhow, it's very nice to see someone thinking about these things in terms of her own experience. And, having done the grad school thing, taught classes, dealt with the various family and societal issues faced by students, it was all the more refreshing to read things from experience I can relate with.
If there was something I didn't feel entirely comfortable with in your essay was your words hedging a bit on your support of unions. I definitely agree that the big unions are largely corrupt or out of touch with their workers, but the union concept is essential to resistance against classism in society. I guess I take a wobbly approach - where workers themselves are the direct participants in their union leadership - but that's the exception unfortunately rather than the norm.
Take care and thanks again. Be sure to pop me an email if there's something you'd like me to read.
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Hey there,
Thanks for the kind words and the comment.
On foreign workers, I say in the other piece on the company towns of Greater Yellowstone that they too represent a special class - typically workers who are not poor in their own country. Or else, how do you come up with the initial $2,000? College students, professional types, etc. I'm sure I came to Yellowstone originally poorer than most of the foreign workers.
But, the class distinctions and hardships relative to society are the same; one of the points I think I was making in some of these essays was that it's even ironic that people who are relatively privileged get thrust into the lower rungs of the class system as it exists in Yellowstone. It must be doubly so for a foreign worker from a college or professional background suddenly thrust into a position in the United States where so many are xenophobic, so many have stereotypes of immigrant workers, and where these people have been lied to by their employers and put into the unenviable place of having to work extra jobs just to make it back or to earn the money for their own studies or their families.
Anyhow, it's very nice to see someone thinking about these things in terms of her own experience. And, having done the grad school thing, taught classes, dealt with the various family and societal issues faced by students, it was all the more refreshing to read things from experience I can relate with.
If there was something I didn't feel entirely comfortable with in your essay was your words hedging a bit on your support of unions. I definitely agree that the big unions are largely corrupt or out of touch with their workers, but the union concept is essential to resistance against classism in society. I guess I take a wobbly approach - where workers themselves are the direct participants in their union leadership - but that's the exception unfortunately rather than the norm.
Take care and thanks again. Be sure to pop me an email if there's something you'd like me to read.
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[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on Yellowstone and class.
American Puzzle has left a new comment on your post "Yellowstone and class":
Jim - Thank you for finding me and commenting. This piece is compelling as well, and thoughtful. Although, I have stayed in Old Faithful Inn - once - for a few days. :) You also clearly have much more experience than I with working in the park, and you have detailed the class issue very well. One thing, I read the comment by Kurt and your response - the foreign students I worked with in 2005 were just as "entitled" as their American college student brethren - saw it time and again in their attitudes about work. So I don't know that I can fully agree with that assessment...however, I love your writing. I'm adding your blog as a link under my Education and Community tag and look forward to reading more! ;)
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Jim - Thank you for finding me and commenting. This piece is compelling as well, and thoughtful. Although, I have stayed in Old Faithful Inn - once - for a few days. :) You also clearly have much more experience than I with working in the park, and you have detailed the class issue very well. One thing, I read the comment by Kurt and your response - the foreign students I worked with in 2005 were just as "entitled" as their American college student brethren - saw it time and again in their attitudes about work. So I don't know that I can fully agree with that assessment...however, I love your writing. I'm adding your blog as a link under my Education and Community tag and look forward to reading more! ;)
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Tuesday, July 1, 2008
[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on Re-mythologizing Yellowstone: Part 1 - True and fa....
Jim Macdonald has left a new comment on your post "Re-mythologizing Yellowstone: Part 1 - True and fa...":
First of all, you are referring to a comment in the Yellowstone Newspaper, September 2007, just for the sake of clarity, which points people back to this essay.
And, it's accurate. That there was a real Ranger Smith in your blog isn't relevant to my point and nor is your lacking a specific reference to Jellystone. You were referring to the myth in the way you talk about Yogi. It's an appropriate allusion; especially as I said "a bit of those myths," and especially the particular personification of bears in the way you did in your blog.
That's all I said; that's all I meant. And, yes, I would challenge us to consider carefully the way you we draw upon these myths. We all do so in many ways, in ways we are not even conscious of - the point isn't to avoid myth, but to be critical about the use.
And, if you read my essays carefully, I'm very pro myth; I'm just not in favor of that particular one in terms of Yellowstone or the bears within it.
I'm sorry you were offended that I made the reference, but I think you are protesting too much.
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First of all, you are referring to a comment in the Yellowstone Newspaper, September 2007, just for the sake of clarity, which points people back to this essay.
And, it's accurate. That there was a real Ranger Smith in your blog isn't relevant to my point and nor is your lacking a specific reference to Jellystone. You were referring to the myth in the way you talk about Yogi. It's an appropriate allusion; especially as I said "a bit of those myths," and especially the particular personification of bears in the way you did in your blog.
That's all I said; that's all I meant. And, yes, I would challenge us to consider carefully the way you we draw upon these myths. We all do so in many ways, in ways we are not even conscious of - the point isn't to avoid myth, but to be critical about the use.
And, if you read my essays carefully, I'm very pro myth; I'm just not in favor of that particular one in terms of Yellowstone or the bears within it.
I'm sorry you were offended that I made the reference, but I think you are protesting too much.
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DadsFirstBorn has left a new comment on your post "Re-mythologizing Yellowstone: Part 1 - True and fa...":
While you feel my posting contained "myths" you are sorely mistaken. First... there really was a "Ranger Smith" to whom I referred to in my blog - and, he is still alive today (lives near Seattle and grew up in Powell)... I never mentioned "Jellystone" whether I played against peoples' memories of the cartoon or not... and I am offended you included my blog as a part of your "myth."... I kind of think you never read it...
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While you feel my posting contained "myths" you are sorely mistaken. First... there really was a "Ranger Smith" to whom I referred to in my blog - and, he is still alive today (lives near Seattle and grew up in Powell)... I never mentioned "Jellystone" whether I played against peoples' memories of the cartoon or not... and I am offended you included my blog as a part of your "myth."... I kind of think you never read it...
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Friday, June 20, 2008
[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on Newspaper article misrepresents Buffalo Allies pos....
Jim Macdonald has left a new comment on your post "Newspaper article misrepresents Buffalo Allies pos...":
Well, this is an interesting "CYA" response, now that everyone knows Corrientes aren't the cause.
The article doesn't prove that Corrientes aren't the cause; the article simply asserts the claims of the livestock industry. I frankly couldn't give a crap whether Corrientes were involved. The point of bringing them up was to wonder out loud why other potential causes aren't being investigated and why bison are always such an easy scapegoat for this "problem" of brucellosis.
Poor "Buffalo Allies of Bozeman" - another group who doesn't have a clue. How do you know bison didn't cause this? - the investigation isn't complete!
Bison could not have been the cause because there are no bison in the Paradise Valley and have not been bison in the Paradise Valley. Five bison almost made it into Tim Miner Basin this winter and were promptly shot before they could make it to a wildlife friendly rancher and the Dome Mountain wildlife area. All the buffalo were being killed by the National Park Service way south in the Gardiner Basin.
Are you aware of the 1983 US Animal Health Association report showing free ranging bison infecting cattle with brucellosis? I doubt it.
As has been noted by several others, this is not the same thing as the claim that wild bison have not transmitted brucellosis. But, if you want me to claim that it's not possible, I'm not going to make that claim. There are others, like Robert Hoskins, who have taken a stronger view than I would and would even go so far as to say that elk that are wild (not the feedlot elk) can't even transmit the disease. Personally, I would never go that far because I don't think that argument matters. Brucellosis is not at all what the issue is about. The cost of brucellosis is essentially meaningless compared to the cost of prevention against it. But, if you really want to see my radical stripes, I personally (this is NOT the view of my group) don't believe that anyone has the right to cattle ranch anywhere. As I'm sure you've noticed – since you are big on research and have researched me and what I believe before posting on my site – I don't believe in capitalism – certainly not using animals as capital.
One anomaly that has to be explained, though, if we are to take the views who take the Hoskins view is why it is that cattle and bison in Grand Teton, who graze on the same land inside the park – where bison have brucellosis – have never transmitted the disease.
Do your research. Learn the real story. The GYA bison are up to 50% seropositive. Don't believe the "exposure" malarky to explain that. The antibodies are antigen driven - meaning there must be bacteria present in the animal's body to cause a positive blood test. A positive animal is NOT immune - quite the contrary!The brucella antibody half-life is about 3 weeks - meaning if the animal was able to fight off the disease (which a few do), they would be test negative very quickly. If they test positive, they are likely infecte
Bison and elk swap the disease back and forth and it spills over into cattle when the populations get to record levels, as they were earlier this year.
Elk were not at record levels; their levels have been much lower in recent years due to wolf predation and drought. Buffalo were almost at record levels; however, they were not permitted anywhere near Pray because they were killed. So, while that doesn't disprove that elk were involved (I happen to think they probably were the cause, something that would not make my friends in the Gallatin Wildlife Association happy), it does make the point you are making here sketchy. There weren't bison anywhere near the area, there weren't elk at record levels.
But, in the end, my attitude is so what? Is brucellosis a reason to provide artificial boundaries to wildlife – whether they are elk or buffalo? What is so important about a brucellosis free status? And, if it's that important, then you'd be better off spending your time having APHIS change outdated penalties for brucellosis. As we've been told, the meat supply is safe no matter what. If livestock interests are so important to protect, then it's up to them to keep their cattle separate from wildlife; if it's so important, then this industry should change it's rules.
Or, is this about grass? Isn't that the real story? Why are we running from the values discussion and engaged in this smokescreen about brucellosis year after year?
The incubation period is perfect for it to show up now. Learn about the disease before you try to take a stance. I'm a vet - been dealing with this for years. These outbreaks were predictable, when you know the epidemiology of the disease. Too bad all those on the chats don't take the time to learn before they express opinions.
You may be a vet, but this isn't a question of science so much as it is a question of values assumptions masking itself in the guise of scientific discourse. Brucellosis is not the issue.
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Well, this is an interesting "CYA" response, now that everyone knows Corrientes aren't the cause.
The article doesn't prove that Corrientes aren't the cause; the article simply asserts the claims of the livestock industry. I frankly couldn't give a crap whether Corrientes were involved. The point of bringing them up was to wonder out loud why other potential causes aren't being investigated and why bison are always such an easy scapegoat for this "problem" of brucellosis.
Poor "Buffalo Allies of Bozeman" - another group who doesn't have a clue. How do you know bison didn't cause this? - the investigation isn't complete!
Bison could not have been the cause because there are no bison in the Paradise Valley and have not been bison in the Paradise Valley. Five bison almost made it into Tim Miner Basin this winter and were promptly shot before they could make it to a wildlife friendly rancher and the Dome Mountain wildlife area. All the buffalo were being killed by the National Park Service way south in the Gardiner Basin.
Are you aware of the 1983 US Animal Health Association report showing free ranging bison infecting cattle with brucellosis? I doubt it.
As has been noted by several others, this is not the same thing as the claim that wild bison have not transmitted brucellosis. But, if you want me to claim that it's not possible, I'm not going to make that claim. There are others, like Robert Hoskins, who have taken a stronger view than I would and would even go so far as to say that elk that are wild (not the feedlot elk) can't even transmit the disease. Personally, I would never go that far because I don't think that argument matters. Brucellosis is not at all what the issue is about. The cost of brucellosis is essentially meaningless compared to the cost of prevention against it. But, if you really want to see my radical stripes, I personally (this is NOT the view of my group) don't believe that anyone has the right to cattle ranch anywhere. As I'm sure you've noticed – since you are big on research and have researched me and what I believe before posting on my site – I don't believe in capitalism – certainly not using animals as capital.
One anomaly that has to be explained, though, if we are to take the views who take the Hoskins view is why it is that cattle and bison in Grand Teton, who graze on the same land inside the park – where bison have brucellosis – have never transmitted the disease.
Do your research. Learn the real story. The GYA bison are up to 50% seropositive. Don't believe the "exposure" malarky to explain that. The antibodies are antigen driven - meaning there must be bacteria present in the animal's body to cause a positive blood test. A positive animal is NOT immune - quite the contrary!The brucella antibody half-life is about 3 weeks - meaning if the animal was able to fight off the disease (which a few do), they would be test negative very quickly. If they test positive, they are likely infecte
Bison and elk swap the disease back and forth and it spills over into cattle when the populations get to record levels, as they were earlier this year.
Elk were not at record levels; their levels have been much lower in recent years due to wolf predation and drought. Buffalo were almost at record levels; however, they were not permitted anywhere near Pray because they were killed. So, while that doesn't disprove that elk were involved (I happen to think they probably were the cause, something that would not make my friends in the Gallatin Wildlife Association happy), it does make the point you are making here sketchy. There weren't bison anywhere near the area, there weren't elk at record levels.
But, in the end, my attitude is so what? Is brucellosis a reason to provide artificial boundaries to wildlife – whether they are elk or buffalo? What is so important about a brucellosis free status? And, if it's that important, then you'd be better off spending your time having APHIS change outdated penalties for brucellosis. As we've been told, the meat supply is safe no matter what. If livestock interests are so important to protect, then it's up to them to keep their cattle separate from wildlife; if it's so important, then this industry should change it's rules.
Or, is this about grass? Isn't that the real story? Why are we running from the values discussion and engaged in this smokescreen about brucellosis year after year?
The incubation period is perfect for it to show up now. Learn about the disease before you try to take a stance. I'm a vet - been dealing with this for years. These outbreaks were predictable, when you know the epidemiology of the disease. Too bad all those on the chats don't take the time to learn before they express opinions.
You may be a vet, but this isn't a question of science so much as it is a question of values assumptions masking itself in the guise of scientific discourse. Brucellosis is not the issue.
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Well, this is an interesting "CYA" response, now that everyone knows Corrientes aren't the cause. Poor "Buffalo Allies of Bozeman" - another group who doesn't have a clue. How do you know bison didn't cause this? - the investigation isn't complete! Are you aware of the 1983 US Animal Health Association report showing free ranging bison infecting cattle with brucellosis? I doubt it. Do your research. Learn the real story. The GYA bison are up to 50% seropositive. Don't believe the "exposure" malarky to explain that. The antibodies are antigen driven - meaning there must be bacteria present in the animal's body to cause a positive blood test. A positive animal is NOT immune - quite the contrary!The brucella antibody half-life is about 3 weeks - meaning if the animal was able to fight off the disease (which a few do), they would be test negative very quickly. If they test positive, they are likely infected. Bison and elk swap the disease back and forth and it spills over into cattle when the populations get to record levels, as they were earlier this year. The incubation period is perfect for it to show up now. Learn about the disease before you try to take a stance. I'm a vet - been dealing with this for years. These outbreaks were predictable, when you know the epidemiology of the disease. Too bad all those on the chats don't take the time to learn before they express opinions.
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Well, this is an interesting "CYA" response, now that everyone knows Corrientes aren't the cause. Poor "Buffalo Allies of Bozeman" - another group who doesn't have a clue. How do you know bison didn't cause this? - the investigation isn't complete! Are you aware of the 1983 US Animal Health Association report showing free ranging bison infecting cattle with brucellosis? I doubt it. Do your research. Learn the real story. The GYA bison are up to 50% seropositive. Don't believe the "exposure" malarky to explain that. The antibodies are antigen driven - meaning there must be bacteria present in the animal's body to cause a positive blood test. A positive animal is NOT immune - quite the contrary!The brucella antibody half-life is about 3 weeks - meaning if the animal was able to fight off the disease (which a few do), they would be test negative very quickly. If they test positive, they are likely infected. Bison and elk swap the disease back and forth and it spills over into cattle when the populations get to record levels, as they were earlier this year. The incubation period is perfect for it to show up now. Learn about the disease before you try to take a stance. I'm a vet - been dealing with this for years. These outbreaks were predictable, when you know the epidemiology of the disease. Too bad all those on the chats don't take the time to learn before they express opinions.
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Sunday, June 1, 2008
[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on A delightful trip into the park.
Mike McCord has left a new comment on your post "A delightful trip into the park":
First off, let me comment on why I "push away" all that "philosophy stuff" with a "wave of [my] hand." Ready? Here it goes . . . .
It's boring.
All that, "I think therefore I am," crap. Booooring. All I know about philosophy is that John Stuart Mill of his own free will on half a pint o' shanty was particularly ill.
Philosophy, like poetry, is for people with entirely too much time on their hands who like to paint the world in terms that just don't make sense to the vast majority of us. Of course, I'm not saying that to be insulting. I'm saying it because it's true.
Secondly, I wasn't trying to send you into a tizzy there, Jimmy. I was just trying to bond with you a bit by sharing a personal experience I had in the park last week. One in which I witnessed first hand some of the secondary effects of this past winter's culling.
I'm not completely heartless, despite what you may think. I thought some folks out there might be interested in knowing that this years efforts by the Montana DOL and the park service has resulted in an above average number buffalo calves being taken by bears and wolves this spring because the herds are so small and spread out. I mean, that part of it isn't exactly national news, now is it? In my own way, I was actually supporting your side of the argument.
The whole killing wolves and bears to protect buffalo comment was just me ribbing you. How do you not get that yet?
I know how you feel: Man vs. Nature is bad. Nature vs. Nature is okey-dokey. And that working to protect buffalo is just one part of the overall effort to fight the many, and varied, injustices throughout the world.
See? I get it.
Lighten up, will ya?
And one more thing: You said that we like to pretend that it's still about simple things. Well, let me tell you, my friend, life is what you make it. The world is a cruel, humorless bitch if you want it to be. Or it can be as pleasant as a warm, sunny Sunday afternoon.
For me, it is about the simple things. It's about family and friends. Tall tales around a campfire. Listening to wolf howls in the Lamar Valley after sunset. And beer.
Actually . . . it's mostly about beer.
TTFN
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First off, let me comment on why I "push away" all that "philosophy stuff" with a "wave of [my] hand." Ready? Here it goes . . . .
It's boring.
All that, "I think therefore I am," crap. Booooring. All I know about philosophy is that John Stuart Mill of his own free will on half a pint o' shanty was particularly ill.
Philosophy, like poetry, is for people with entirely too much time on their hands who like to paint the world in terms that just don't make sense to the vast majority of us. Of course, I'm not saying that to be insulting. I'm saying it because it's true.
Secondly, I wasn't trying to send you into a tizzy there, Jimmy. I was just trying to bond with you a bit by sharing a personal experience I had in the park last week. One in which I witnessed first hand some of the secondary effects of this past winter's culling.
I'm not completely heartless, despite what you may think. I thought some folks out there might be interested in knowing that this years efforts by the Montana DOL and the park service has resulted in an above average number buffalo calves being taken by bears and wolves this spring because the herds are so small and spread out. I mean, that part of it isn't exactly national news, now is it? In my own way, I was actually supporting your side of the argument.
The whole killing wolves and bears to protect buffalo comment was just me ribbing you. How do you not get that yet?
I know how you feel: Man vs. Nature is bad. Nature vs. Nature is okey-dokey. And that working to protect buffalo is just one part of the overall effort to fight the many, and varied, injustices throughout the world.
See? I get it.
Lighten up, will ya?
And one more thing: You said that we like to pretend that it's still about simple things. Well, let me tell you, my friend, life is what you make it. The world is a cruel, humorless bitch if you want it to be. Or it can be as pleasant as a warm, sunny Sunday afternoon.
For me, it is about the simple things. It's about family and friends. Tall tales around a campfire. Listening to wolf howls in the Lamar Valley after sunset. And beer.
Actually . . . it's mostly about beer.
TTFN
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Saturday, May 31, 2008
[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on A delightful trip into the park.
Jim Macdonald has left a new comment on your post "A delightful trip into the park":
Mike,
Like a lot of your comments, I have answered this sort of thing previously. I have no problem with beings being what they are, humans included. What I have problems with is humans doing things which go outside the bounds of reason, creating an artificial system of justice in which to enforce their decisions. The boundaries that keep the bison penned into Yellowstone are artificial and without merit. If people kill buffalo because that's what people simply do, that's one thing. Hundreds of buffalo would die in buffalo jumps (see the area around Dome Mountain near Tom Miner Basin as one example of a natural buffalo jump). That's not the issue. The issue is the reason why; and for whatever reason (that philosophy stuff you push away with the wave of your hand), that's what you never actually respond to. There is a connection between reasons and action in the human life; when the reasons are contradictory, then we all needlessly suffer.
In a world where we aren't acting that way, buffalo and humans will still die. There is no utopia, but we will be better off to an important degree - we won't feel entitled to enforce one narrow particular view of all beings, where some are more entitled than others. We may kill and eat buffalo out of urges related to our senses and not some abstract and incoherent sense of justice (which is what we do now).
And, people do confuse that, right? A lot of people will shout out at us - "Buffalo taste good" thinking they're getting under our skin (and not even knowing that some members of the group even eat buffalo). They think this is just about simple sense experience, but in fact that's not why buffalo are being killed. In truth, we are way beyond that world. You talked a long time ago about overpopulation. Yeah, that's right - the overpopulated world comes from a world that imposed its will on the earth and was able to grow much more food than otherwise would be natural, built giant machines, built therefore giant machines of death. Who isn't like a caged buffalo in this world? But, we like to pretend it's still about simple things - the way it should be.
You can't just fight for buffalo; you have to fight against the world that keeps everyone caged by our sophistication (stupidity). The buffalo is just one way into that, one that is closer to my experience.
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Mike,
Like a lot of your comments, I have answered this sort of thing previously. I have no problem with beings being what they are, humans included. What I have problems with is humans doing things which go outside the bounds of reason, creating an artificial system of justice in which to enforce their decisions. The boundaries that keep the bison penned into Yellowstone are artificial and without merit. If people kill buffalo because that's what people simply do, that's one thing. Hundreds of buffalo would die in buffalo jumps (see the area around Dome Mountain near Tom Miner Basin as one example of a natural buffalo jump). That's not the issue. The issue is the reason why; and for whatever reason (that philosophy stuff you push away with the wave of your hand), that's what you never actually respond to. There is a connection between reasons and action in the human life; when the reasons are contradictory, then we all needlessly suffer.
In a world where we aren't acting that way, buffalo and humans will still die. There is no utopia, but we will be better off to an important degree - we won't feel entitled to enforce one narrow particular view of all beings, where some are more entitled than others. We may kill and eat buffalo out of urges related to our senses and not some abstract and incoherent sense of justice (which is what we do now).
And, people do confuse that, right? A lot of people will shout out at us - "Buffalo taste good" thinking they're getting under our skin (and not even knowing that some members of the group even eat buffalo). They think this is just about simple sense experience, but in fact that's not why buffalo are being killed. In truth, we are way beyond that world. You talked a long time ago about overpopulation. Yeah, that's right - the overpopulated world comes from a world that imposed its will on the earth and was able to grow much more food than otherwise would be natural, built giant machines, built therefore giant machines of death. Who isn't like a caged buffalo in this world? But, we like to pretend it's still about simple things - the way it should be.
You can't just fight for buffalo; you have to fight against the world that keeps everyone caged by our sophistication (stupidity). The buffalo is just one way into that, one that is closer to my experience.
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[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on A delightful trip into the park.
Mike McCord has left a new comment on your post "A delightful trip into the park":
Wasn't quite sure where to post this comment, Jimmy, but this seemed like the appropriate place. But, put it where you want it.
You see, I too had a delightful trip into the park this weekend, and I learned something that might be of interest to you . . . although you probably already know this. Not that I had a delightful trip into the park, but that there seems to be another threat, or threats, to your precious bison. Those threats being wolves and grizzlies.
I spoke to a ranger down there last weekend and he said that the herds are might bit dispersed this year and that wolves, and grizzlies especially, are taking advantage of the situation and are running in there and taking quite a few of them young 'uns this years.
He also said that they were hoping the herds would find each other and use their numbers to fend of some of them other critters, but that it didn't look good.
I'm mighty partial to them big bears and stopped to ask him where they might be congregating, and that's how I found out about the buffler situation. Thought it might interest you.
So. What do you do now? Propose that the grizzlies and wolves be killed off to protect the buffalo?
I don't know, Jimbo. I was there, and there still seem to be a lot of 'em. A lot young 'uns too. I just don't see the situation as being as dire as you do.
But, I'm just an old man. What do I know?
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Wasn't quite sure where to post this comment, Jimmy, but this seemed like the appropriate place. But, put it where you want it.
You see, I too had a delightful trip into the park this weekend, and I learned something that might be of interest to you . . . although you probably already know this. Not that I had a delightful trip into the park, but that there seems to be another threat, or threats, to your precious bison. Those threats being wolves and grizzlies.
I spoke to a ranger down there last weekend and he said that the herds are might bit dispersed this year and that wolves, and grizzlies especially, are taking advantage of the situation and are running in there and taking quite a few of them young 'uns this years.
He also said that they were hoping the herds would find each other and use their numbers to fend of some of them other critters, but that it didn't look good.
I'm mighty partial to them big bears and stopped to ask him where they might be congregating, and that's how I found out about the buffler situation. Thought it might interest you.
So. What do you do now? Propose that the grizzlies and wolves be killed off to protect the buffalo?
I don't know, Jimbo. I was there, and there still seem to be a lot of 'em. A lot young 'uns too. I just don't see the situation as being as dire as you do.
But, I'm just an old man. What do I know?
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Wednesday, May 21, 2008
[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on Report from BFC rally in Helena, May 14, 2008.
Mike McCord has left a new comment on your post "Report from BFC rally in Helena, May 14, 2008":
Jesus-jumpin'-Christ-on-a-crutch, Jimmy! Fake tombstones on the lawn of the State Capitol? Buffalo Bill award? Bothering interns? You seriously need a hobby.
I mean, I understand what you're doing, and all, but really, what's it going to accomplish? Don't you think the governor understands by now that you buffalo people are feeling a bit cranky after this winter? I'm also reasonably certain that he knows that you folks are gonna stick around like guests at a party that don't know when it's time to go home. Or like an in-law that "only needs a place to stay for a week." He knows. We all know.
I won't go saying that I don't understand your obsession. Because I do. I read your article on April 21. I found it to a very entertaining read. Well, at first I was entertained. And then I was bored by all the philosophy crap. But you pulled it together at the end, and I was entertained some more. Heck, I even grew to respect you a little bit. Don't get me wrong, I still think you're wasting your efforts on a problem that isn't really a problem . . . but at least you know what you believe in and why, and you keep plugging away at it.
Even so, do you really believe that the buffalo in Yellowstone are in danger of extinction? Extinction??
I hate to keep restating this, but you yourself have said in the past that a healthy heard for the park is somewhere around 1,800 animals. So now we're in the ball park again. In order for them to become extinct, those remaining animals would have to completely stop reproducing, or every last one of them would have to wander into Montana and let the state have their way with them, or the government would have to go into the park and purposely eliminate them from the ecosystem, or some combination of all three of those events would have to happen.
So don't you think this whole "extinction" thing is just a bit of an exaggeration? I mean, c'mon, we just had a record sized herd this winter, and that's with everything that's been going on for the last ten years. So I don't know about you, but I'm fairly confident that barring anything catastrophic, the buffalo herd will rebound.
And I know, it's not just about size. Size matters, but not as much as giving them critters room to roam.
K. I get it. And I'm sure that one day, you folks'll bug the government enough that you'll get your way, or some compromise. But I'm wondering, do you have to do it with exaggerations? And how will you feel if you do get your way, and bison are allowed to wander outside the park, and their numbers get to be such that state of Montana opens up a bigger hunt than the one we've already got? Given the situation that buffalo are allowed to wander at will, wherever they want, but that some population control needs to be implemented just as with other game species . . . how will you feel about that?
Will that be another injustice to you? After you've gotten what you want, will you stick around and make sure the government doesn't pull any funny business? Or will you move on?
My guess is that there's enough going on in Yellowstone to ruffle your feathers for several lifetimes, and you won't be going anywhere. Which is fine with me, because you are just an endless source of entertainment for me. I've read other blogs, but they just don't compare to this one.
I may not agree with you. But I love you, Jimmy.
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Jesus-jumpin'-Christ-on-a-crutch, Jimmy! Fake tombstones on the lawn of the State Capitol? Buffalo Bill award? Bothering interns? You seriously need a hobby.
I mean, I understand what you're doing, and all, but really, what's it going to accomplish? Don't you think the governor understands by now that you buffalo people are feeling a bit cranky after this winter? I'm also reasonably certain that he knows that you folks are gonna stick around like guests at a party that don't know when it's time to go home. Or like an in-law that "only needs a place to stay for a week." He knows. We all know.
I won't go saying that I don't understand your obsession. Because I do. I read your article on April 21. I found it to a very entertaining read. Well, at first I was entertained. And then I was bored by all the philosophy crap. But you pulled it together at the end, and I was entertained some more. Heck, I even grew to respect you a little bit. Don't get me wrong, I still think you're wasting your efforts on a problem that isn't really a problem . . . but at least you know what you believe in and why, and you keep plugging away at it.
Even so, do you really believe that the buffalo in Yellowstone are in danger of extinction? Extinction??
I hate to keep restating this, but you yourself have said in the past that a healthy heard for the park is somewhere around 1,800 animals. So now we're in the ball park again. In order for them to become extinct, those remaining animals would have to completely stop reproducing, or every last one of them would have to wander into Montana and let the state have their way with them, or the government would have to go into the park and purposely eliminate them from the ecosystem, or some combination of all three of those events would have to happen.
So don't you think this whole "extinction" thing is just a bit of an exaggeration? I mean, c'mon, we just had a record sized herd this winter, and that's with everything that's been going on for the last ten years. So I don't know about you, but I'm fairly confident that barring anything catastrophic, the buffalo herd will rebound.
And I know, it's not just about size. Size matters, but not as much as giving them critters room to roam.
K. I get it. And I'm sure that one day, you folks'll bug the government enough that you'll get your way, or some compromise. But I'm wondering, do you have to do it with exaggerations? And how will you feel if you do get your way, and bison are allowed to wander outside the park, and their numbers get to be such that state of Montana opens up a bigger hunt than the one we've already got? Given the situation that buffalo are allowed to wander at will, wherever they want, but that some population control needs to be implemented just as with other game species . . . how will you feel about that?
Will that be another injustice to you? After you've gotten what you want, will you stick around and make sure the government doesn't pull any funny business? Or will you move on?
My guess is that there's enough going on in Yellowstone to ruffle your feathers for several lifetimes, and you won't be going anywhere. Which is fine with me, because you are just an endless source of entertainment for me. I've read other blogs, but they just don't compare to this one.
I may not agree with you. But I love you, Jimmy.
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[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on Support Obama? Live near Bozeman? Check out this f....
Jim Macdonald has left a new comment on your post "Support Obama? Live near Bozeman? Check out this f...":
Personally, I don't have one bit of faith in Obama. And, if you read enough about me, you would know that. The point of the flyer is to reach those who do support Obama and what Obama could be doing.
I wrote after the 2006 election a piece called "No Radical New Wind in Yellowstone" that you can find on this blog; there is no reason to believe that electoral politics will make any changes to the system.
However, there is faith that people who organize together and take the long road to work from the ground up can make a difference. Look at what is called for from Obama - stuff that no person in government actually pays any attention to (a real seat at the public in decision making; why? It's not really logistically possible). You can't put all the public interests into a room and be effective in making decisions. Yet, that's a damning critique of the system. It's a system that cannot be repaired from within - just like the IBMP.
However, my view is a very small minority. You have to reach people; you have to let them follow their inclinations and beliefs to their logical conclusion. And, that's why you reach out to people who are Obama supporters (my belief is that voting is only for protest - I am likely to vote, if I vote, for some third party) because there is a convergence of belief potentially - even if not an identical optimism about the system.
Obama's rhetoric actually runs counter to what he's doing by running for the most top-down authoritarian position in the world. All one can hope for is that his Administration scraps the IBMP - and only if he appoints the right people, but that won't solve the buffalo problem. It won't solve the fundamental problem in Yellowstone or for buffalo. It will create an opportunity of space for a grassroots movement to develop that can actually stand up for justice. What we need is time; in the end, we need to be the power - not the Barack Obamas.
So, you asked; now take the time not to jump to caricature views about what I've written. You can be a political radical like myself - essentially an anarchist - and still work well with other people, still empower people to act even though you don't have faith in their route. More can be done, and it's not morally or logically responsible to draw cynical conclusions about working for justice.
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Personally, I don't have one bit of faith in Obama. And, if you read enough about me, you would know that. The point of the flyer is to reach those who do support Obama and what Obama could be doing.
I wrote after the 2006 election a piece called "No Radical New Wind in Yellowstone" that you can find on this blog; there is no reason to believe that electoral politics will make any changes to the system.
However, there is faith that people who organize together and take the long road to work from the ground up can make a difference. Look at what is called for from Obama - stuff that no person in government actually pays any attention to (a real seat at the public in decision making; why? It's not really logistically possible). You can't put all the public interests into a room and be effective in making decisions. Yet, that's a damning critique of the system. It's a system that cannot be repaired from within - just like the IBMP.
However, my view is a very small minority. You have to reach people; you have to let them follow their inclinations and beliefs to their logical conclusion. And, that's why you reach out to people who are Obama supporters (my belief is that voting is only for protest - I am likely to vote, if I vote, for some third party) because there is a convergence of belief potentially - even if not an identical optimism about the system.
Obama's rhetoric actually runs counter to what he's doing by running for the most top-down authoritarian position in the world. All one can hope for is that his Administration scraps the IBMP - and only if he appoints the right people, but that won't solve the buffalo problem. It won't solve the fundamental problem in Yellowstone or for buffalo. It will create an opportunity of space for a grassroots movement to develop that can actually stand up for justice. What we need is time; in the end, we need to be the power - not the Barack Obamas.
So, you asked; now take the time not to jump to caricature views about what I've written. You can be a political radical like myself - essentially an anarchist - and still work well with other people, still empower people to act even though you don't have faith in their route. More can be done, and it's not morally or logically responsible to draw cynical conclusions about working for justice.
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support obama, do ya? think there's hope that he'll support your cause if he's elected president? sorry to disappoint you there, chief, but you know as well as everyone else does that a snowball has a better chance in hell. and that's not racist, that's reality. the president has always been a white, christian male, and that's the way it'll be come next january.
this country isn't ready for the kind of change we need. we may say we are, but we aren't. you can bet that john mccain is already picking out new curtains for the white house. because he knows it too.
and it's not like it really matters because whoever is elected is going to have a huge laundry list things to work on that are way more urgent than trying to convince the state of montana to place nice with buffalo. three things that come to mind are the iraq war, the economy, and the energy crisis. and really, that's just one thing with three parts to it.
buffalo--waaaaaay down on the list.
and while i know that you are going to take that as a slam, it isn't. that's just the reality of life in america right now.
personally, i too support obama, and i hope i'm wrong about the "christian, white male," thing. hell, i'd even like to see someone at the head of this country who is neither a white male, nor a christian. maybe then we'd have some real change.
maybe then we could focus more on saving bees and trees. whales and snails.
and a buffalo or two.
maybe.
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support obama, do ya? think there's hope that he'll support your cause if he's elected president? sorry to disappoint you there, chief, but you know as well as everyone else does that a snowball has a better chance in hell. and that's not racist, that's reality. the president has always been a white, christian male, and that's the way it'll be come next january.
this country isn't ready for the kind of change we need. we may say we are, but we aren't. you can bet that john mccain is already picking out new curtains for the white house. because he knows it too.
and it's not like it really matters because whoever is elected is going to have a huge laundry list things to work on that are way more urgent than trying to convince the state of montana to place nice with buffalo. three things that come to mind are the iraq war, the economy, and the energy crisis. and really, that's just one thing with three parts to it.
buffalo--waaaaaay down on the list.
and while i know that you are going to take that as a slam, it isn't. that's just the reality of life in america right now.
personally, i too support obama, and i hope i'm wrong about the "christian, white male," thing. hell, i'd even like to see someone at the head of this country who is neither a white male, nor a christian. maybe then we'd have some real change.
maybe then we could focus more on saving bees and trees. whales and snails.
and a buffalo or two.
maybe.
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Friday, May 16, 2008
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Jim,
I completely agree with Angie above. Just continue with your efforts for the buffalo. You can make a difference.
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Jim,
I completely agree with Angie above. Just continue with your efforts for the buffalo. You can make a difference.
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Thursday, May 15, 2008
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Press Release: Buffalo Allies of Bozeman Is Founde...":
Jim,
I stumbled across your blog this winter, while I was doing some research on the slaughter of buffalo going on in Yellowstone. I've been reading it for a little while now because you are one of the better sources of information on what's happening there, and your passion for the buffalo is inspiring. But I'm wondering why you keep indulging this idiot, and that other one, Mike McCord, by responding to them? They don't contribute anything except nonsense, and they're clearly just wasting your time. Why bother with them?
Anyway, you are doing a wonderful job. Please keep it up.
-Angie in IL
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Jim,
I stumbled across your blog this winter, while I was doing some research on the slaughter of buffalo going on in Yellowstone. I've been reading it for a little while now because you are one of the better sources of information on what's happening there, and your passion for the buffalo is inspiring. But I'm wondering why you keep indulging this idiot, and that other one, Mike McCord, by responding to them? They don't contribute anything except nonsense, and they're clearly just wasting your time. Why bother with them?
Anyway, you are doing a wonderful job. Please keep it up.
-Angie in IL
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Jim Macdonald has left a new comment on your post "Press Release: Buffalo Allies of Bozeman Is Founde...":
First of all, "or" here makes what follows it singular as in "It's either this or that." So, "is" serves as the proper form of the verb "to be."
Secondly, your understanding of the use of language is narrow and superficial. Tell me that you or anyone else has any trouble understanding what the quote in the press release actually says. So, your point about the use of language here is without merit.
Thirdly, don't use the word "thought" so lightly. Where you wrongly criticize a non-point about the use of language *misusing various rules of grammar by the way - no matter, I still understood you*, you use the word "thought" rather lightly. I'm not sure what about it constitutes a cogent thought.
Fourthly, as to what's not here from you, I'd suggest you read my piece within my blog on why KKK speech is not free speech. For several reasons, I'd say the "shit" you've been posting here rises to that level.
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First of all, "or" here makes what follows it singular as in "It's either this or that." So, "is" serves as the proper form of the verb "to be."
Secondly, your understanding of the use of language is narrow and superficial. Tell me that you or anyone else has any trouble understanding what the quote in the press release actually says. So, your point about the use of language here is without merit.
Thirdly, don't use the word "thought" so lightly. Where you wrongly criticize a non-point about the use of language *misusing various rules of grammar by the way - no matter, I still understood you*, you use the word "thought" rather lightly. I'm not sure what about it constitutes a cogent thought.
Fourthly, as to what's not here from you, I'd suggest you read my piece within my blog on why KKK speech is not free speech. For several reasons, I'd say the "shit" you've been posting here rises to that level.
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"There is no Executive Director or President."
And "there is no" good grammar neither.
Perhaps one should learn to use the language properly before attempting to utilize it to promote change in the society in which that language is spoken.
Just a thought.
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"There is no Executive Director or President."
And "there is no" good grammar neither.
Perhaps one should learn to use the language properly before attempting to utilize it to promote change in the society in which that language is spoken.
Just a thought.
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[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on A delightful trip into the park.
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That's right; I'm not. Especially, as I was taking a dump all over Yellowstone; if the air wasn't sulfur enough.
Either way, the price to see those pictures is my ugly mug; glad to see you're checking me out.
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That's right; I'm not. Especially, as I was taking a dump all over Yellowstone; if the air wasn't sulfur enough.
Either way, the price to see those pictures is my ugly mug; glad to see you're checking me out.
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I don't know, man. I think I agree with the other person. I took a good look at your pictures, and they're nice and all, but the one of you gave me douche-chills. You aren't exactly what they call "photogenic."
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I don't know, man. I think I agree with the other person. I took a good look at your pictures, and they're nice and all, but the one of you gave me douche-chills. You aren't exactly what they call "photogenic."
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And, it won't be my last. Ever notice how much shit is in Yellowstone all over the place?
And, haven't you heard how bad off the sewage system is?
Get your shit together, dude.
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And, it won't be my last. Ever notice how much shit is in Yellowstone all over the place?
And, haven't you heard how bad off the sewage system is?
Get your shit together, dude.
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i take back what i said. you don't look constipated, you look like you're taking a dump, which actually makes the picture that much more disgusting. and is really a sad, sad commentary on your part. taking a dump on the most beloved national park in the world.
how dare you.
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i take back what i said. you don't look constipated, you look like you're taking a dump, which actually makes the picture that much more disgusting. and is really a sad, sad commentary on your part. taking a dump on the most beloved national park in the world.
how dare you.
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as an animal rightist, i found it offensive to see buffalo recipes posted here. animal rightists are few and far between, and we need safe spaces, as animals themselves need sanctuaries, when liberated from fur farms and factory farms.
(while i have read the articles on 'property rights', i will admit that since i personally run sanctuaries for animals i have rescued from the hostile american culture, it turns out to do this i need to endorse property rights as a pratical matter. and for this, ineed money, and so through my real estate company I am now working to privatize anwar to fund my sanctuary.
As Locke used human 'reason' (which 'jim' (TM) called 'dogma' ('dawg/ma' in dialect) at present we amynal rightists assume totally liberated sanctuary animals who are victims of human oppression differ qualitatively from wild animals, who hence are expendible when we are paving their habitat to build a sanctuary for freed lab mice. The 'greatest good for the greatest number' definately distinguishes greater goods from lesser 'evils'. (I wonder if evil knievel is still up in the air over hell's canyon; what a rough trip through paradise.).
(wild animals, following Locke, are lower than liberated animals (as Hendrix would have said, they've 'never been experienced'(TM), or as Hahvad historian Orlando Patterson said, without slavery there was no idea of freedom). They typically have no value, unlike cows (apart from a few beaver pelts, or that polecat or whatever it was my neighbors kept telling me to shoot so it would stop eating my frozen salmons, for $45 too!!! (i did explain guns to it with a few blasts and philosophy---'greatest number for the greatest good, and don't touch my salmon (greedy mf ate half my winter stash---up till then it was my pet, which i had to feed). the 45$ was tempting to get my investment back).
so, i can justify supporting my dependent animals, so far, so long as they do have 'reason' of the Hendrix/Patterson form above that of lower, thieving polecats. humans give them reason and rights, as god gave them to humans (see Peter Singer; they even get court appointed counsel if they can't afford it, and Pell grants). All that anwar oil can fuel some nice warm mouse cribs and AP tests.
And, as a humyn, i too use 'reasons' and 'rights' to justify why neighbors should leave my sanctuary alone (though they don't want to). It may be fundamental, or pragmatic. (excercize left to reader.) (My sanctuary crib so far has 1 raccoon, 4 squirrels, 3 opposums, and on adjacent property 1 big fox, 1 baby fox who can barely walk, some deers and coyotes. I rescued them---using the 'underground railroad' model, meaning they followed me and took up shop in the crib. Fortunately, my anymals are sufficiently healthy, to support them, i simply point to where they can forage, and they do. (Of course, there is a curfew for ins/outs between 12am/12pm and its enforced, following Zeno's law). If the ANWAR privatization is halted, my prius i use to conduct real estate deals to serve animals will be unusable, so i may have to start charging rent as well as start selling acorns, grubs and trashcan access. i guess i could allus reconsider and open a pet shop, zoo or invite dick cheney to shoot his friends, too. as 'property is theft', so one can allus find a way to make an honest living---where 'honest' is defined by law.)
however, as an animal rightist (who do have rights to a prius, and tenure in a university or at least a PETA funded plantation----i do refuse to pay anyone who works for me who eats meat or wears leather, damn straight), while 'buffalo wings' i find revoltingly offensive, because humans, as made in the image of God have no relation to animals (see David Berlinski in Commentary Mag on Intelligent Design), they have no such Lockean rationals (apart from animal rights sanctuaries) , and hence, though scorned in 'pc' or polite society, 'cannibalism' is something which is way ok. Any recipes?
Because my Prius requires its daily diet of corn, to solve the food scarcity problem cannibalism may be the way out. If we ate humans, we would not need to feed them corn, so it could be exported to Haiti and Egypt, to solve hunger. As guns and roses put it, its so easy. I think a similar idea was discovered in the 1880's. Even sustainable 'biofuels' may have a source here (the Germans have been a pioneer in sustainable energy, with 6% of it currently from wind power, and in 1945 they pioneered other ideas; even Jimmy Carter was born again and then did this for solar in the '70's. )
In, sum, to get to main point, the idea of Martin Luther 'rodney' King that 'an injustice in one place is a threat to justice everywhere' (or whatever the quote is) really I don't think is comparable to logical consistancy---except in one way which is common nowdays.
First, a 'threat' is not the same as a real thing. People fear eclipses of the moon, terrorist attacks, eternal damnation (in limbo over hell's canyon with no knowledge of whether you reached what 'jim' (TM) morrison called 'the other side') etc. Not all of these 'threats' are 'credible'. (But people do like them, to talk about, emote about...'ohh the injustice, b-tch set me up'.)
Like 'the good', threats vary from 'greatest' to least. (As noted the underprivildeged, hurt buffalos may need the most help due to threats from the dominants in the buffalo hierarchy----maybe you should deal with that rather than worrying about CUT. Environmentally, litter is a problem in yellowstone too, so maybe a 25$ million grant to pick up (only) camel cigarette butts would be better than CUT leasing---a cost/benefit analyses would be required, itself requiring an NSF grant. I could see earmarks devoted to each cause.)
People forget injustices, even when they invoke that quote. How many indians work at Yellowstone? do they want or need the jobs (or are they drinking themselves to death on the res)? People can justify their injustices, dance by the lake on the graves of others.
Justus may be the empirical reality, though the quote sounds good, like utilitarianism, like 'i have a dream, free at last, no money down'. the gift economy of stewardship---god gave it to me, its mine.
Logically, if one says 'injustice' is like 'truth', then in a consistant logical system an 'untruth' in one place likely leads to untruth everywhere (godel). But in the real world, 'justice' and 'truth' often are temporal.
There are 'temporal logics' which deny logical consistancy of the sort Godel endorsed as being particularily special or interesting. Resolutions of the 'liar's paradox' for example solve this temporally. 'i am a liar' for example may be 'true' meaning 'i was one' or 'i lied'. its a different logic, no more true nor false than any other. it may be empirically true. (even 'i' is a temporal concept for most lesser, mortal goods.)
so MLK's statement is as meaningless as utilitarianism's slogan. i hear in new guinea and brazil there may still be cannibals; any injustice is a threat to justice. to save the buffalo, maybe we can get the squids to become vegan.
anti-utilitarians are just lying or deluded, sortuh like anticapitalists, antiauthoritarians, antistatists etc. of course using temporal logic, these can be valid. one needs the 'metalogic' to know the mind of matter(s).
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as an animal rightist, i found it offensive to see buffalo recipes posted here. animal rightists are few and far between, and we need safe spaces, as animals themselves need sanctuaries, when liberated from fur farms and factory farms.
(while i have read the articles on 'property rights', i will admit that since i personally run sanctuaries for animals i have rescued from the hostile american culture, it turns out to do this i need to endorse property rights as a pratical matter. and for this, ineed money, and so through my real estate company I am now working to privatize anwar to fund my sanctuary.
As Locke used human 'reason' (which 'jim' (TM) called 'dogma' ('dawg/ma' in dialect) at present we amynal rightists assume totally liberated sanctuary animals who are victims of human oppression differ qualitatively from wild animals, who hence are expendible when we are paving their habitat to build a sanctuary for freed lab mice. The 'greatest good for the greatest number' definately distinguishes greater goods from lesser 'evils'. (I wonder if evil knievel is still up in the air over hell's canyon; what a rough trip through paradise.).
(wild animals, following Locke, are lower than liberated animals (as Hendrix would have said, they've 'never been experienced'(TM), or as Hahvad historian Orlando Patterson said, without slavery there was no idea of freedom). They typically have no value, unlike cows (apart from a few beaver pelts, or that polecat or whatever it was my neighbors kept telling me to shoot so it would stop eating my frozen salmons, for $45 too!!! (i did explain guns to it with a few blasts and philosophy---'greatest number for the greatest good, and don't touch my salmon (greedy mf ate half my winter stash---up till then it was my pet, which i had to feed). the 45$ was tempting to get my investment back).
so, i can justify supporting my dependent animals, so far, so long as they do have 'reason' of the Hendrix/Patterson form above that of lower, thieving polecats. humans give them reason and rights, as god gave them to humans (see Peter Singer; they even get court appointed counsel if they can't afford it, and Pell grants). All that anwar oil can fuel some nice warm mouse cribs and AP tests.
And, as a humyn, i too use 'reasons' and 'rights' to justify why neighbors should leave my sanctuary alone (though they don't want to). It may be fundamental, or pragmatic. (excercize left to reader.) (My sanctuary crib so far has 1 raccoon, 4 squirrels, 3 opposums, and on adjacent property 1 big fox, 1 baby fox who can barely walk, some deers and coyotes. I rescued them---using the 'underground railroad' model, meaning they followed me and took up shop in the crib. Fortunately, my anymals are sufficiently healthy, to support them, i simply point to where they can forage, and they do. (Of course, there is a curfew for ins/outs between 12am/12pm and its enforced, following Zeno's law). If the ANWAR privatization is halted, my prius i use to conduct real estate deals to serve animals will be unusable, so i may have to start charging rent as well as start selling acorns, grubs and trashcan access. i guess i could allus reconsider and open a pet shop, zoo or invite dick cheney to shoot his friends, too. as 'property is theft', so one can allus find a way to make an honest living---where 'honest' is defined by law.)
however, as an animal rightist (who do have rights to a prius, and tenure in a university or at least a PETA funded plantation----i do refuse to pay anyone who works for me who eats meat or wears leather, damn straight), while 'buffalo wings' i find revoltingly offensive, because humans, as made in the image of God have no relation to animals (see David Berlinski in Commentary Mag on Intelligent Design), they have no such Lockean rationals (apart from animal rights sanctuaries) , and hence, though scorned in 'pc' or polite society, 'cannibalism' is something which is way ok. Any recipes?
Because my Prius requires its daily diet of corn, to solve the food scarcity problem cannibalism may be the way out. If we ate humans, we would not need to feed them corn, so it could be exported to Haiti and Egypt, to solve hunger. As guns and roses put it, its so easy. I think a similar idea was discovered in the 1880's. Even sustainable 'biofuels' may have a source here (the Germans have been a pioneer in sustainable energy, with 6% of it currently from wind power, and in 1945 they pioneered other ideas; even Jimmy Carter was born again and then did this for solar in the '70's. )
In, sum, to get to main point, the idea of Martin Luther 'rodney' King that 'an injustice in one place is a threat to justice everywhere' (or whatever the quote is) really I don't think is comparable to logical consistancy---except in one way which is common nowdays.
First, a 'threat' is not the same as a real thing. People fear eclipses of the moon, terrorist attacks, eternal damnation (in limbo over hell's canyon with no knowledge of whether you reached what 'jim' (TM) morrison called 'the other side') etc. Not all of these 'threats' are 'credible'. (But people do like them, to talk about, emote about...'ohh the injustice, b-tch set me up'.)
Like 'the good', threats vary from 'greatest' to least. (As noted the underprivildeged, hurt buffalos may need the most help due to threats from the dominants in the buffalo hierarchy----maybe you should deal with that rather than worrying about CUT. Environmentally, litter is a problem in yellowstone too, so maybe a 25$ million grant to pick up (only) camel cigarette butts would be better than CUT leasing---a cost/benefit analyses would be required, itself requiring an NSF grant. I could see earmarks devoted to each cause.)
People forget injustices, even when they invoke that quote. How many indians work at Yellowstone? do they want or need the jobs (or are they drinking themselves to death on the res)? People can justify their injustices, dance by the lake on the graves of others.
Justus may be the empirical reality, though the quote sounds good, like utilitarianism, like 'i have a dream, free at last, no money down'. the gift economy of stewardship---god gave it to me, its mine.
Logically, if one says 'injustice' is like 'truth', then in a consistant logical system an 'untruth' in one place likely leads to untruth everywhere (godel). But in the real world, 'justice' and 'truth' often are temporal.
There are 'temporal logics' which deny logical consistancy of the sort Godel endorsed as being particularily special or interesting. Resolutions of the 'liar's paradox' for example solve this temporally. 'i am a liar' for example may be 'true' meaning 'i was one' or 'i lied'. its a different logic, no more true nor false than any other. it may be empirically true. (even 'i' is a temporal concept for most lesser, mortal goods.)
so MLK's statement is as meaningless as utilitarianism's slogan. i hear in new guinea and brazil there may still be cannibals; any injustice is a threat to justice. to save the buffalo, maybe we can get the squids to become vegan.
anti-utilitarians are just lying or deluded, sortuh like anticapitalists, antiauthoritarians, antistatists etc. of course using temporal logic, these can be valid. one needs the 'metalogic' to know the mind of matter(s).
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Friday, May 2, 2008
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I recognize that house. My daughter lived on South Bozeman for awhile. Nice neighborhood.
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I recognize that house. My daughter lived on South Bozeman for awhile. Nice neighborhood.
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Wow. I can't believe how open-minded you've become all of a sudden there, Jimmy. I go away for awhile, and now you're letting folks post ways to fricassee buffalo? And letting another post about saving elk?? I commend you, but I'm a bit dumbfounded. Doesn't the elk thing kinda encroach on you're turf? I mean, no one's shooting them every winter when they leave the park, right? Ah well, you never cease to amaze me.
One thing that bothers me though, you've got some people here kissing your ass and agreeing with you, and you still dismiss some of their comments, or at least, you correct them. Granted, I think they're a bunch of nut-jobs, but that's me. I enjoy being on the top of the food chain, and I prefer not to anthropomorphize my food. So I would think that when it comes to you, you'd just smile and say, "Thankee kindly," instead of, "You're missing the point."
I don't get it. I don't get it.
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Wow. I can't believe how open-minded you've become all of a sudden there, Jimmy. I go away for awhile, and now you're letting folks post ways to fricassee buffalo? And letting another post about saving elk?? I commend you, but I'm a bit dumbfounded. Doesn't the elk thing kinda encroach on you're turf? I mean, no one's shooting them every winter when they leave the park, right? Ah well, you never cease to amaze me.
One thing that bothers me though, you've got some people here kissing your ass and agreeing with you, and you still dismiss some of their comments, or at least, you correct them. Granted, I think they're a bunch of nut-jobs, but that's me. I enjoy being on the top of the food chain, and I prefer not to anthropomorphize my food. So I would think that when it comes to you, you'd just smile and say, "Thankee kindly," instead of, "You're missing the point."
I don't get it. I don't get it.
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OR HOW ABOUT . . .
Buffalo Meat Loaf
* 2 eggs beaten
* ½ c. milk
* ½ c. crushed saltine crackers or Italian bread crumbs
* ¼ c. dried onion
* 2 Tbsp. Parsley
* 1 t. salt½ t. sage
* 1 ½ lb. Ground Buffalo
Mix above ingredients well. Pat into a greased loaf pan. Bake for 1¼ hrs. at 325 degrees.
Combine:
* ¼ c. ketchup2
* T. brown sugar
* 1 t. dried mustard
Spread over meat loaf and bake another 10 minutes until internal temperature reaches 160 degrees F. (Serves 6-8)
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OR HOW ABOUT . . .
Buffalo Meat Loaf
* 2 eggs beaten
* ½ c. milk
* ½ c. crushed saltine crackers or Italian bread crumbs
* ¼ c. dried onion
* 2 Tbsp. Parsley
* 1 t. salt½ t. sage
* 1 ½ lb. Ground Buffalo
Mix above ingredients well. Pat into a greased loaf pan. Bake for 1¼ hrs. at 325 degrees.
Combine:
* ¼ c. ketchup2
* T. brown sugar
* 1 t. dried mustard
Spread over meat loaf and bake another 10 minutes until internal temperature reaches 160 degrees F. (Serves 6-8)
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A WONDERFUL WAY TO ENJOY BISON
Mustard Short Ribs
* 4 lbs. ribs
* 1/3 c. prepared mustard (I just use regular yellow mustard)
* 1 T. sugar
* 2 T. lemon juice
* t. salt
* 1/2 t. pepper
* 2 cloves of crushed garlic
* 4 medium onions, sliced
Place buffalo ribs in shallow baking dish. Mix mustard, sugar, lemon juice, salt, pepper, and garlic; pour over the ribs. Top with onions. Cover and refrigerate, turning ribs occasionally, for 4 to 24 hours.
Place ribs with marinade and onions in Dutch oven or any other oven proof baking dish, and cook at 350 degrees for about 2 hours. Check for tenderness. Cook longer, if necessary, for 10-minute intervals until the ribs are tender.
*Another way I have used this same recipe is to just put it all in a crock pot and cook for 8-10 hours on low.
*Instead of the mustard marinade, use your favorite BBQ sauce and spice it up with onions and garlic. There are many different marinades on the market right now that are really good. Have fun experimenting! Enjoy!
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A WONDERFUL WAY TO ENJOY BISON
Mustard Short Ribs
* 4 lbs. ribs
* 1/3 c. prepared mustard (I just use regular yellow mustard)
* 1 T. sugar
* 2 T. lemon juice
* t. salt
* 1/2 t. pepper
* 2 cloves of crushed garlic
* 4 medium onions, sliced
Place buffalo ribs in shallow baking dish. Mix mustard, sugar, lemon juice, salt, pepper, and garlic; pour over the ribs. Top with onions. Cover and refrigerate, turning ribs occasionally, for 4 to 24 hours.
Place ribs with marinade and onions in Dutch oven or any other oven proof baking dish, and cook at 350 degrees for about 2 hours. Check for tenderness. Cook longer, if necessary, for 10-minute intervals until the ribs are tender.
*Another way I have used this same recipe is to just put it all in a crock pot and cook for 8-10 hours on low.
*Instead of the mustard marinade, use your favorite BBQ sauce and spice it up with onions and garlic. There are many different marinades on the market right now that are really good. Have fun experimenting! Enjoy!
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Jim Macdonald has left a new comment on your post "Why buffalo and why not the CUT deal? Against uti...":
Perhaps, you missed the point.
Do buffalo act for something they codify into a moral law called the "greatest good" that they expect all other buffalo and creatures to act upon?
Or, do they simply act based on the interests they have?
That's the difference. It's not a point of research; it's a point of understanding the logical fallacy involved in human moral systems, utilitarianism among the chief culprits.
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Perhaps, you missed the point.
Do buffalo act for something they codify into a moral law called the "greatest good" that they expect all other buffalo and creatures to act upon?
Or, do they simply act based on the interests they have?
That's the difference. It's not a point of research; it's a point of understanding the logical fallacy involved in human moral systems, utilitarianism among the chief culprits.
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Buffalo DO act with a pretense of greatest good. This is evident in their actions towards the sick or wounded of the herd. When a buffalo becomes seriously sick or wounded but attempts to remain in the herd, the herd bulls attack the animal, forcing it down or killing it. Doing so, reduces predadation on the collective herd, protecting the majority.
Please use your time to do more research regarding the buffalo and their behaviors before advocating a position concerning them.
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Buffalo DO act with a pretense of greatest good. This is evident in their actions towards the sick or wounded of the herd. When a buffalo becomes seriously sick or wounded but attempts to remain in the herd, the herd bulls attack the animal, forcing it down or killing it. Doing so, reduces predadation on the collective herd, protecting the majority.
Please use your time to do more research regarding the buffalo and their behaviors before advocating a position concerning them.
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Wednesday, April 30, 2008
[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on Why buffalo and why not the CUT deal? Against uti....
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This is a total waste of the tax payers money as well as the 13 million the government spent in 1998 buying land from the CUT for the buffalo.
The park is apparently being managed by morons.... the wolves that cost the taxpayers additonal millions were supposed to keep the buffalo numbers in check. Everyone knew that wouldn't happen instead the population of elk, moose and big horn sheep have been devistated. The starvation of buffalo in the park isn't something I would travel to see.
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This is a total waste of the tax payers money as well as the 13 million the government spent in 1998 buying land from the CUT for the buffalo.
The park is apparently being managed by morons.... the wolves that cost the taxpayers additonal millions were supposed to keep the buffalo numbers in check. Everyone knew that wouldn't happen instead the population of elk, moose and big horn sheep have been devistated. The starvation of buffalo in the park isn't something I would travel to see.
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[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on Buffalo Allies of Bozeman is born; mission adopted....
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SAVE OUR ELK!
We have a Crisis!
Unless something is done now it will be too late!
We are the TRUE DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE, unlike some organizations that portray this in their message.
http://saveourelk.com
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SAVE OUR ELK!
We have a Crisis!
Unless something is done now it will be too late!
We are the TRUE DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE, unlike some organizations that portray this in their message.
http://saveourelk.com
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[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on 1,436 to 2,300 Yellowstone buffalo left.
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1,436 to 2,300 Yellowstone buffalo left
now if we culd just get rid of the rest of them we could get rid of the activists too
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1,436 to 2,300 Yellowstone buffalo left
now if we culd just get rid of the rest of them we could get rid of the activists too
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Monday, April 28, 2008
[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on A delightful trip into the park.
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You bet; sure you can find one of my chips around there!
LOL
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You bet; sure you can find one of my chips around there!
LOL
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as they say, \"a picture is worth a thousand words,\" and you, my friend, you look constipated. now it all becomes clear.
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as they say, \"a picture is worth a thousand words,\" and you, my friend, you look constipated. now it all becomes clear.
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Humans can call 911 animals can't That's a good enough reason for me.
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Humans can call 911 animals can't That's a good enough reason for me.
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Monday, April 21, 2008
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Jim,
How arbitrary are the accepted and contradictory values in this Culture of Make-Believe...
As an animal activist, I've had people tell me ad nauseum that I should be putting my efforts towards better, more worthy causes (ie causes involving humans). The most ironic example was when I was on an anti-fur protest in front of a Neiman Marcus store...men and women spending their Saturday mornings shopping in a luxury store were telling me and my fellow activists that we should not be wasting our time!
It's OK for the reasons we are drawn to one cause or another to be arbitrary, but it is not OK for them to be contradictory.
The rich particularities of our lives are our own, and follow from everything we are, everywhere we've been.
It is beautiful, and even logical, that in your life with your particular tapestry of experiences, you are working for the buffalo.
You rock in ways big and small, but always inspiring.
Love
Me
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Jim,
How arbitrary are the accepted and contradictory values in this Culture of Make-Believe...
As an animal activist, I've had people tell me ad nauseum that I should be putting my efforts towards better, more worthy causes (ie causes involving humans). The most ironic example was when I was on an anti-fur protest in front of a Neiman Marcus store...men and women spending their Saturday mornings shopping in a luxury store were telling me and my fellow activists that we should not be wasting our time!
It's OK for the reasons we are drawn to one cause or another to be arbitrary, but it is not OK for them to be contradictory.
The rich particularities of our lives are our own, and follow from everything we are, everywhere we've been.
It is beautiful, and even logical, that in your life with your particular tapestry of experiences, you are working for the buffalo.
You rock in ways big and small, but always inspiring.
Love
Me
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Saturday, April 19, 2008
[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on Check out the DC Anti-War Network.
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Well, seeing as how you called my bluff, I'm going to take the time, while I recover, to read through this thing and get to know you better, Jimmy, so maybe I'll be a little more informed before I go shooting my mouth off. Besides, it doesn't appear that too many people read this thing, and that's a shame after all of the hard work you put into it.
So for starters, the first link is down (pity), and the second website is just some pretty dry stuff. If only we'd had the internet in the 60's, I imagine some of these anti-war websites (not that I've seen many of them) would have been much more exciting. People in the 60's were setting themselves on fire, rioting in the streets, and doing all sorts of nonsense for their beliefs. People nowadays are rather soft, now instead of taking a can of gasoline to a protest, they take their Starbucks. Of course, not all of ya are like that, just most of ya'll. I really admire the extremists. I don't necessarily agree with them, but I admire them for having the gumption to take injury for what they believe in. If more of you were like that, you might affect some real change, good or bad.
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Well, seeing as how you called my bluff, I'm going to take the time, while I recover, to read through this thing and get to know you better, Jimmy, so maybe I'll be a little more informed before I go shooting my mouth off. Besides, it doesn't appear that too many people read this thing, and that's a shame after all of the hard work you put into it.
So for starters, the first link is down (pity), and the second website is just some pretty dry stuff. If only we'd had the internet in the 60's, I imagine some of these anti-war websites (not that I've seen many of them) would have been much more exciting. People in the 60's were setting themselves on fire, rioting in the streets, and doing all sorts of nonsense for their beliefs. People nowadays are rather soft, now instead of taking a can of gasoline to a protest, they take their Starbucks. Of course, not all of ya are like that, just most of ya'll. I really admire the extremists. I don't necessarily agree with them, but I admire them for having the gumption to take injury for what they believe in. If more of you were like that, you might affect some real change, good or bad.
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Uncle Mike has left a new comment on your post "Report back on action now on Bozeman Activist Web ...":
My, aren't we feeling feisty? I saw that little you exchange you had with that feller where your last article is posted. You're on a little bit of a tear, aren't you? I was going to put my two cents in, but figured it probably wasn't worth the bother. Besides, you already know how I feel.
Anyway . . .
How is it that you think I'm insulting you? I've really grown to like you, Jimbo. Especially after the way you went after that coward who wouldn't even put his name on his comment. Can't civilized people, such as ourselves, share a difference of opinion without it being considered insulting? I mean, I certainly take no offense from anything you say about me, or my comments. And if you want to pass them around amongst your buddies and have a giggle or two, well, that's just mighty fine by me. I'd be a hypocrite if I let it bother me, now wouldn't I? And when I am able to make it to one your get-togethers, I hope you save me a seat right up front so I don't miss anything.
As far as you waiting for answers to your arguments, well, I kinda forgot about that and had to read through this little blog o' yours to figure out what you're talking about. Now I remember, but I also remember that you never did answer my question about how you feel about them Indians leaving carcasses all over the place down there in Gardiner. The way I see it, that's even more irresponsible and disrespectful to those shaggy beasts than anything the governments done. But I suppose that's too touchy of an issue for you to address. The government and the other buffalo hunters are okay to speak out about, but let's ignore what the Indian tribes do, right?
You did call BS on me on one thing early on, I didn't read through your whole blog, just skimmed it, so I don't know your opinion of American Indians. But here's a condensed version of mine: Indians are people, same as you and me, and everyone else around the globe. I know that they've got a culture that they're trying to hold on to, and while I respect that, I do not hold them in any higher, or lesser, regard than I do anyone else. They're people, and people do stupid and irresponsible things, and people who stupid and irresponsible things should be held accountable for their actions. Furthermore, I believe it is your duty as activist, blogger, or whatever the hell you consider yourself to be, to address this issue. And I don't mean to me personally. What I mean is if you want to address injustice related to your cause, shouldn't you address all aspects of it instead of glossing over the parts you, or your compatriots, might feel to be ultra-sensitive? Wouldn't that be the responsible thing to do?
Now, if you feel that any part of that is insulting, then you need to step back, take a deep breath, go on down to Kenyon-Noble, get some lumber, build a bridge . . . and get over it.
By the way, I'm well aware of the fact that your precious bison didn't gain anything from that deal. That was just my snarky way of saying it.
Snarky. Where do my grandkids come up with these words?
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My, aren't we feeling feisty? I saw that little you exchange you had with that feller where your last article is posted. You're on a little bit of a tear, aren't you? I was going to put my two cents in, but figured it probably wasn't worth the bother. Besides, you already know how I feel.
Anyway . . .
How is it that you think I'm insulting you? I've really grown to like you, Jimbo. Especially after the way you went after that coward who wouldn't even put his name on his comment. Can't civilized people, such as ourselves, share a difference of opinion without it being considered insulting? I mean, I certainly take no offense from anything you say about me, or my comments. And if you want to pass them around amongst your buddies and have a giggle or two, well, that's just mighty fine by me. I'd be a hypocrite if I let it bother me, now wouldn't I? And when I am able to make it to one your get-togethers, I hope you save me a seat right up front so I don't miss anything.
As far as you waiting for answers to your arguments, well, I kinda forgot about that and had to read through this little blog o' yours to figure out what you're talking about. Now I remember, but I also remember that you never did answer my question about how you feel about them Indians leaving carcasses all over the place down there in Gardiner. The way I see it, that's even more irresponsible and disrespectful to those shaggy beasts than anything the governments done. But I suppose that's too touchy of an issue for you to address. The government and the other buffalo hunters are okay to speak out about, but let's ignore what the Indian tribes do, right?
You did call BS on me on one thing early on, I didn't read through your whole blog, just skimmed it, so I don't know your opinion of American Indians. But here's a condensed version of mine: Indians are people, same as you and me, and everyone else around the globe. I know that they've got a culture that they're trying to hold on to, and while I respect that, I do not hold them in any higher, or lesser, regard than I do anyone else. They're people, and people do stupid and irresponsible things, and people who stupid and irresponsible things should be held accountable for their actions. Furthermore, I believe it is your duty as activist, blogger, or whatever the hell you consider yourself to be, to address this issue. And I don't mean to me personally. What I mean is if you want to address injustice related to your cause, shouldn't you address all aspects of it instead of glossing over the parts you, or your compatriots, might feel to be ultra-sensitive? Wouldn't that be the responsible thing to do?
Now, if you feel that any part of that is insulting, then you need to step back, take a deep breath, go on down to Kenyon-Noble, get some lumber, build a bridge . . . and get over it.
By the way, I'm well aware of the fact that your precious bison didn't gain anything from that deal. That was just my snarky way of saying it.
Snarky. Where do my grandkids come up with these words?
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Friday, April 18, 2008
[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on Report back on action now on Bozeman Activist Web ....
Jim Macdonald has left a new comment on your post "Report back on action now on Bozeman Activist Web ...":
I'm still waiting for answers to my arguments.
If you insist on insulting me, I'll leave them on. Of the two of us, I think you'll come out looking the worse. Besides, I enjoy reading them; they are funny. We share them amongst each other and laugh; we were very disappointed you weren't at the event. There'll be more, and we'll be happy to have you for our own amusement, if for nothing else.
And, as for the deal, I think it's pretty clear that it's a big defeat for the buffalo and for Yellowstone. You have to be pretty nuts to come up with a deal that makes friends of activists AND ranchers. But, that's just what happened, while the professional environmentalists can make money for their coffers, Schweitzer can go to re-election, and Suzanne Lewis can pretend that she's done something good for Yellowstone.
And, for nothing, not even for those 25 buffalo, who also gain nothing by this.
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I'm still waiting for answers to my arguments.
If you insist on insulting me, I'll leave them on. Of the two of us, I think you'll come out looking the worse. Besides, I enjoy reading them; they are funny. We share them amongst each other and laugh; we were very disappointed you weren't at the event. There'll be more, and we'll be happy to have you for our own amusement, if for nothing else.
And, as for the deal, I think it's pretty clear that it's a big defeat for the buffalo and for Yellowstone. You have to be pretty nuts to come up with a deal that makes friends of activists AND ranchers. But, that's just what happened, while the professional environmentalists can make money for their coffers, Schweitzer can go to re-election, and Suzanne Lewis can pretend that she's done something good for Yellowstone.
And, for nothing, not even for those 25 buffalo, who also gain nothing by this.
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Uncle Mike has left a new comment on your post "Report back on action now on Bozeman Activist Web ...":
I am mighty sorry I didn't make it over to that little soiree ya'll had. I sorely wanted to be there. I truly did. Unfortunately, my ol' ticker and I were having a bit of a disagreement. You see, I was of the opinion that it should keep pumping the way it has for all of these long years, and it . . . well, it was of the exact opposite opinion. Well, I'm a stubborn ol' coot, and as you can tell, I won that argument. Howsomever, it did put me out of commission for a bit. But I'm feeling better day by day, and I'll make it to one of your little shindigs yet.
By the way, congratulations on that victory down in Yellowstone. Twenty-five disease free bison can now roam worry free until the tax deadline. And in a couple of years, maybe a hundred can. Huzzah! There's no sweeter smell than that of a battle won, is there?
Nevermind that it cost about as much to let twenty-five live as it did to kill fifteen hundred of 'em, or that all the money that's been wasted on this effort, and all the money that I know will continue to be wasted on this effort, could have been put towards better use by it putting towards better schools, better health care, better anything.
Nope, you got your victory. Next year, twenty-five buffler can rest easy. Congratulations, Pard.
I suppose now we can relax a little and focus on other things that are equally important, like say . . . paper-cut prevention . . . or finding new rangeland for all of these stupid bicyclists that seem to be crowding the streets that were meant for cars and trucks.
I don't know, Jimmy. Just throwing out ideas.
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I am mighty sorry I didn't make it over to that little soiree ya'll had. I sorely wanted to be there. I truly did. Unfortunately, my ol' ticker and I were having a bit of a disagreement. You see, I was of the opinion that it should keep pumping the way it has for all of these long years, and it . . . well, it was of the exact opposite opinion. Well, I'm a stubborn ol' coot, and as you can tell, I won that argument. Howsomever, it did put me out of commission for a bit. But I'm feeling better day by day, and I'll make it to one of your little shindigs yet.
By the way, congratulations on that victory down in Yellowstone. Twenty-five disease free bison can now roam worry free until the tax deadline. And in a couple of years, maybe a hundred can. Huzzah! There's no sweeter smell than that of a battle won, is there?
Nevermind that it cost about as much to let twenty-five live as it did to kill fifteen hundred of 'em, or that all the money that's been wasted on this effort, and all the money that I know will continue to be wasted on this effort, could have been put towards better use by it putting towards better schools, better health care, better anything.
Nope, you got your victory. Next year, twenty-five buffler can rest easy. Congratulations, Pard.
I suppose now we can relax a little and focus on other things that are equally important, like say . . . paper-cut prevention . . . or finding new rangeland for all of these stupid bicyclists that seem to be crowding the streets that were meant for cars and trucks.
I don't know, Jimmy. Just throwing out ideas.
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Wednesday, April 16, 2008
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And now that I have another moment . . .
I'm not sure that there was one clear thought in your article either, Jimmy. I normally enjoy your ramblings but this one was a tough pill to swallow. I mean, it was just words and words and words, and you weren't really saying anything.
Okay, that's not fair. I know you had a clear thought in there, but you used entirely too many words to get to it. It was like reading a statement from one of these numb-nuts running for new George Bush. Boooorinnnng.
But hey, I know you have a lot to say, and your last entry was thoroughly entertaining. I'm still giggling from it. So, I guess you can't win 'em all.
Still, I don't blame you for trying.
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And now that I have another moment . . .
I'm not sure that there was one clear thought in your article either, Jimmy. I normally enjoy your ramblings but this one was a tough pill to swallow. I mean, it was just words and words and words, and you weren't really saying anything.
Okay, that's not fair. I know you had a clear thought in there, but you used entirely too many words to get to it. It was like reading a statement from one of these numb-nuts running for new George Bush. Boooorinnnng.
But hey, I know you have a lot to say, and your last entry was thoroughly entertaining. I'm still giggling from it. So, I guess you can't win 'em all.
Still, I don't blame you for trying.
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Yes, a portent of change. Or more likely, it was just wind.
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Yes, a portent of change. Or more likely, it was just wind.
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Jim, Thanks so much for your account of the prayer ceremony. Maybe those winds yesterday were a portent of change.
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Jim, Thanks so much for your account of the prayer ceremony. Maybe those winds yesterday were a portent of change.
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Saturday, April 12, 2008
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My gawd, Jimmy, even I find this nameless person's comments to be trifle, pointless, and REALLY ANNOYING BECAUSE OF ALL THE CAPITAL LETTERS.
Yikes. I'm not really sure that there's one clear thought in there.
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My gawd, Jimmy, even I find this nameless person's comments to be trifle, pointless, and REALLY ANNOYING BECAUSE OF ALL THE CAPITAL LETTERS.
Yikes. I'm not really sure that there's one clear thought in there.
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Monday, March 24, 2008
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Thanks for all your words; they certainly convince me of the need for action.
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Thanks for all your words; they certainly convince me of the need for action.
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HOW WONDERFUL YOUR BLAH BLAH WORDS ARE AS YOU WRITE PAGES AND PAGES OF USELSS WORDS THAT DO NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO HELP THE BISON. YOU LIVING THERE SEEING IT MAKES YOU MORE RESPOSIBLE THAN ANYONE, ARE YOU JUST WORDS ARE YOU NOT MAN ENOUGH TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN OR ORGANIZE A FOOD SUPPLY FOR THEM ANYTHING AT ALL EXCEPT TALK. YOUR WORDS ARE EMPTY PILES OF CRAP AND YOU ARE JUST AS RESPONSIBLE AS THOSE KILLING. WORDS ARE CHEAP..IF YOU SEE A CHILD ABUSED OR MURDERED DO YOU NOT DO OR TRY TO HELP, ANIMALS HURT NO ONE THEY JUST TRY TO EXIST WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE AMONG IGNORANT PEOPLE. YOURSELF INCLUDED, WOULD STOP ALL YOU SELF RIGHTOUS WORDS OF BLAH BLAH BLAH.. AND GET OFF YOUR ASS AND DO SOMETHING. I'LL HELP IF YOU DO. THIS CAN NOT CONTINUE JUST BECAUSE THEYRE HUNGRY.
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HOW WONDERFUL YOUR BLAH BLAH WORDS ARE AS YOU WRITE PAGES AND PAGES OF USELSS WORDS THAT DO NOTHING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO HELP THE BISON. YOU LIVING THERE SEEING IT MAKES YOU MORE RESPOSIBLE THAN ANYONE, ARE YOU JUST WORDS ARE YOU NOT MAN ENOUGH TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN OR ORGANIZE A FOOD SUPPLY FOR THEM ANYTHING AT ALL EXCEPT TALK. YOUR WORDS ARE EMPTY PILES OF CRAP AND YOU ARE JUST AS RESPONSIBLE AS THOSE KILLING. WORDS ARE CHEAP..IF YOU SEE A CHILD ABUSED OR MURDERED DO YOU NOT DO OR TRY TO HELP, ANIMALS HURT NO ONE THEY JUST TRY TO EXIST WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE AMONG IGNORANT PEOPLE. YOURSELF INCLUDED, WOULD STOP ALL YOU SELF RIGHTOUS WORDS OF BLAH BLAH BLAH.. AND GET OFF YOUR ASS AND DO SOMETHING. I'LL HELP IF YOU DO. THIS CAN NOT CONTINUE JUST BECAUSE THEYRE HUNGRY.
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Sunday, March 16, 2008
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Jim Macdonald has left a new comment on your post "Downloadable flyers for - "Fighting for the Buffal...":
:) - thank you - As for what you wrote, I believe I took on most of it in Indybay, and I have gone after a lot more of your points (at least those that are not raised in the previous discussion) in an article in National Parks Traveler.
Cheers,
Jim
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:) - thank you - As for what you wrote, I believe I took on most of it in Indybay, and I have gone after a lot more of your points (at least those that are not raised in the previous discussion) in an article in National Parks Traveler.
Cheers,
Jim
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I just wanted to thank you, Jim. Because of you, I've decided to start my own blog. I call it "Irritated Under The Big Sky."
I was going to call it "Pissed Off In Montana," but that seemed a little harsh.
Either way, you've inspired me to take my rants to a wider audience. Even if no one reads it. I don't really care.
What matters is, you're the first one to have gotten my blood going again in a long time. You, and your little blog have given me hours of entertainment, frustration, and motivation. Motivation to sound off about all the other crap that bugs the hell out of me (I know, you thought it was just you . . . but it isn't).
So thanks again. I don't know exactly what my blog will be, but it sure won't be a tree-hugging, buffalo love-fest.
Feel free to stop by some time!
And by the way, I plan on attending that little meeting of yours. I may even dress up.
See ya then!
Mike
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I just wanted to thank you, Jim. Because of you, I've decided to start my own blog. I call it "Irritated Under The Big Sky."
I was going to call it "Pissed Off In Montana," but that seemed a little harsh.
Either way, you've inspired me to take my rants to a wider audience. Even if no one reads it. I don't really care.
What matters is, you're the first one to have gotten my blood going again in a long time. You, and your little blog have given me hours of entertainment, frustration, and motivation. Motivation to sound off about all the other crap that bugs the hell out of me (I know, you thought it was just you . . . but it isn't).
So thanks again. I don't know exactly what my blog will be, but it sure won't be a tree-hugging, buffalo love-fest.
Feel free to stop by some time!
And by the way, I plan on attending that little meeting of yours. I may even dress up.
See ya then!
Mike
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Wednesday, March 12, 2008
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Sunday, March 9, 2008
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Mike McCord has left a new comment on your post "Downloadable flyers for - "Fighting for the Buffal...":
The "plight" of the buffalo? How do you people take yourselves seriously? I mean, really. The population of the bison herd in Yellowstone was at an all-time high this winter. And you, yourself pointed out that historically, there may have only been around 1,000 buffalo in Yellowstone before conservation measures sent their numbers to the current level.
I will agree with ya'll on one point, capturing bison where there aren't any, and won't be any, cattle is stupid. Okay? I'm with you there. Hell, I'll even agree that calling the roundup "disease management" is BS. It's more like "keep 'em in the park" management. But with numbers beginning to exceed optimal population levels for the environment to support them, where does the "plight" part come in?
Is there something going on that I'm not aware of? Are they getting ready to into Yellowstone itself and wipe out every last one of them shaggy beasts? Are they on the verge of extinction? Are they?
What happened after record numbers of bison were killed the last time? Nothing! Their numbers rebounded, and at the beginning of winter 2007-2008, there were a record number of them in and around Yellowstone. So take an educated guess as to what's going to happen after this winter. My money is on the buffalo.
All of you buffalo-people act like they're slaughtering them on the field and leaving their carcasses to rot. Which brings up another point. You had to have seen the article in the Bozeman Daily Chronicle some weeks back that talked about what some of them Nez Perce were doing: Letting meat go to waste, shooting from the road, leaving gut piles and heads where respectable folk could see it. Where was your outrage then? I didn't see one note of it from you, and if you did, point it out to me and I'll apologize. Or is it "Lo, the poor Indian," and "curse the evil government" with you people?
And I think I've mentioned this before, the elk population in Rocky Mountain National Park, in Colorado, is out of control, and they're getting ready to actually go into the park and start getting rid of some of them. Are ya'll going to go down there and protest, or are you strictly for bison?
I think that's what bugs me the most is that all I ever hear and read is buffalo, buffalo, buffalo. You know there's also a problem with jackrabbits in Yellowstone. Yeah. There aren't any, anymore. Got a serious problem with wolverines too. And what about the white pine nut beetle infestation?
Nope. It's the end of the world! They're killing buffalo! Our whole society . . . nay, the future of mankind, depends upon ending the senseless slaughter of buffalo in Yellowstone!!!
So, say they do. Then what? What will be your next crusade, Jim? Say you fight the good fight and win. What will you do? I'm betting that because you seem to have such a hard-on for these creatures, you'll find some other indiscretion against them to complain about. They won't have enough land to roam on. There'll be too many of them and they'll be starving, and then you'll want the government to feed them. Or there'll be poachers that the government isn't doing enough to protect them from. There'll always be something.
Now, I know you think I hate buffalo. I don't. I'm pretty fascinated by them myself. I've read "Where the Buffalo Roam" by Anne Mathews. I agree with the whole idea of restoring bison to historic rangeland that's no longer in use. And if the Indians want to go out and have good old-fashioned hunt on horse-back with bow and arrows, or if they want to run 'em off of a cliff like they used to before they had horses, I'll volunteer to sell the tickets to the event so we can all watch. You know, to raise money so more land can be bought to put more buffalo on. I think the whole experience would be beautiful.
I often think about what it must have been like for Lewis and Clark to travel across the continent, about what they must have seen. About what we will never see. About the things that we can only imagine. Herds of buffalo in the hundreds of thousands, an endless brown sea of undulating backs thundering across the plains, spooked by God-knows-what.
No, I'm not against buffalo. I'm not against Indians either. Neither am I necessarily for the cattle people. What I'm against are you whiny, cry-baby sons-a-bitches with a single-track mind that think you have to save something, and so you focus in on one thing, whether that be trees, or owls, or wolves, or frogs, or bison, and then you anthropomorphize that thing until suddenly, they're not killing buffalo, they're killing Grandma.
(weeping) "How can they kill Grandma???"
I know, you have never (at least as far as I know) compared rounding up bison and sending them off to be processed, with killing an elderly member of your family. And much of the time, when I say "you," I mean people like you. Mike Mease comes to mind.
I've sat here and watched for years as you people have protested and tried everything short of actually murdering other people to keep those animals safe. And for what? You're never going to bring back old days when they could roam wherever, whenever. There's too many people. Too many people competing for land that buffalo and bears and wolves and elk need to wander on. Life is a zero-sum game, my friend. If they're not being shipped off and fed to people that need the meat, which you and your kind never seem to mention, then they'll be starving because of a harsh winter and not enough food to feed them, or maybe they'll be underfed, because there's too many of them, and other predators will take advantage of their weakened condition. In the wild, as everywhere, Death is always hovering . . . waiting.
So what do you consider to be an acceptable death for bison? Starvation? Old age? Predation? Good old-fashioned Indian hunt? What?
I've already said that agree that calling this thing going on in Yellowstone "disease management" is a load of crap. I know that there's never been a reported case of brucellosis being transferred from buffalo to cattle, and that elk are full of it, and do transmit the disease, and that no one is calling for them to be kept inside the park. Wouldn't want to disrupt the fall hunt, after all. K? I'm not a completely ignorant red-neck.
But I honestly believe that you people create more problems than what you solve. You stir people up, make them believe that life for a wild animal is completely sanitary, and somehow holy, and that the evil government and cattle barons are out there to crucify them like Christ.
Get over yourselves. You want to tell a story? Tell the real story. Life is cruel, everything ends in death, whether by the government's hand, or by predation or starvation, or by their own horns during mating season. Life for a wild animal is a short, endless struggle for survival. There's no such thing as a "good death."
The bison in Yellowstone are fine. If they kill another thousand of them this winter, they'll still be fine. Why don't you put your considerable energies towards a cause that can actually do people some good, like lowering housing costs in Bozeman, or creating a homeless shelter, or a program to get those same people off of the streets and into jobs, or anything else that will make the human "plight" better. I mean, it must be nice to be able to waste time trying to save something that doesn't need saving.
Mike
P.S. Can't wait for that meeting. I'm sure it'll be hoot!
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The "plight" of the buffalo? How do you people take yourselves seriously? I mean, really. The population of the bison herd in Yellowstone was at an all-time high this winter. And you, yourself pointed out that historically, there may have only been around 1,000 buffalo in Yellowstone before conservation measures sent their numbers to the current level.
I will agree with ya'll on one point, capturing bison where there aren't any, and won't be any, cattle is stupid. Okay? I'm with you there. Hell, I'll even agree that calling the roundup "disease management" is BS. It's more like "keep 'em in the park" management. But with numbers beginning to exceed optimal population levels for the environment to support them, where does the "plight" part come in?
Is there something going on that I'm not aware of? Are they getting ready to into Yellowstone itself and wipe out every last one of them shaggy beasts? Are they on the verge of extinction? Are they?
What happened after record numbers of bison were killed the last time? Nothing! Their numbers rebounded, and at the beginning of winter 2007-2008, there were a record number of them in and around Yellowstone. So take an educated guess as to what's going to happen after this winter. My money is on the buffalo.
All of you buffalo-people act like they're slaughtering them on the field and leaving their carcasses to rot. Which brings up another point. You had to have seen the article in the Bozeman Daily Chronicle some weeks back that talked about what some of them Nez Perce were doing: Letting meat go to waste, shooting from the road, leaving gut piles and heads where respectable folk could see it. Where was your outrage then? I didn't see one note of it from you, and if you did, point it out to me and I'll apologize. Or is it "Lo, the poor Indian," and "curse the evil government" with you people?
And I think I've mentioned this before, the elk population in Rocky Mountain National Park, in Colorado, is out of control, and they're getting ready to actually go into the park and start getting rid of some of them. Are ya'll going to go down there and protest, or are you strictly for bison?
I think that's what bugs me the most is that all I ever hear and read is buffalo, buffalo, buffalo. You know there's also a problem with jackrabbits in Yellowstone. Yeah. There aren't any, anymore. Got a serious problem with wolverines too. And what about the white pine nut beetle infestation?
Nope. It's the end of the world! They're killing buffalo! Our whole society . . . nay, the future of mankind, depends upon ending the senseless slaughter of buffalo in Yellowstone!!!
So, say they do. Then what? What will be your next crusade, Jim? Say you fight the good fight and win. What will you do? I'm betting that because you seem to have such a hard-on for these creatures, you'll find some other indiscretion against them to complain about. They won't have enough land to roam on. There'll be too many of them and they'll be starving, and then you'll want the government to feed them. Or there'll be poachers that the government isn't doing enough to protect them from. There'll always be something.
Now, I know you think I hate buffalo. I don't. I'm pretty fascinated by them myself. I've read "Where the Buffalo Roam" by Anne Mathews. I agree with the whole idea of restoring bison to historic rangeland that's no longer in use. And if the Indians want to go out and have good old-fashioned hunt on horse-back with bow and arrows, or if they want to run 'em off of a cliff like they used to before they had horses, I'll volunteer to sell the tickets to the event so we can all watch. You know, to raise money so more land can be bought to put more buffalo on. I think the whole experience would be beautiful.
I often think about what it must have been like for Lewis and Clark to travel across the continent, about what they must have seen. About what we will never see. About the things that we can only imagine. Herds of buffalo in the hundreds of thousands, an endless brown sea of undulating backs thundering across the plains, spooked by God-knows-what.
No, I'm not against buffalo. I'm not against Indians either. Neither am I necessarily for the cattle people. What I'm against are you whiny, cry-baby sons-a-bitches with a single-track mind that think you have to save something, and so you focus in on one thing, whether that be trees, or owls, or wolves, or frogs, or bison, and then you anthropomorphize that thing until suddenly, they're not killing buffalo, they're killing Grandma.
(weeping) "How can they kill Grandma???"
I know, you have never (at least as far as I know) compared rounding up bison and sending them off to be processed, with killing an elderly member of your family. And much of the time, when I say "you," I mean people like you. Mike Mease comes to mind.
I've sat here and watched for years as you people have protested and tried everything short of actually murdering other people to keep those animals safe. And for what? You're never going to bring back old days when they could roam wherever, whenever. There's too many people. Too many people competing for land that buffalo and bears and wolves and elk need to wander on. Life is a zero-sum game, my friend. If they're not being shipped off and fed to people that need the meat, which you and your kind never seem to mention, then they'll be starving because of a harsh winter and not enough food to feed them, or maybe they'll be underfed, because there's too many of them, and other predators will take advantage of their weakened condition. In the wild, as everywhere, Death is always hovering . . . waiting.
So what do you consider to be an acceptable death for bison? Starvation? Old age? Predation? Good old-fashioned Indian hunt? What?
I've already said that agree that calling this thing going on in Yellowstone "disease management" is a load of crap. I know that there's never been a reported case of brucellosis being transferred from buffalo to cattle, and that elk are full of it, and do transmit the disease, and that no one is calling for them to be kept inside the park. Wouldn't want to disrupt the fall hunt, after all. K? I'm not a completely ignorant red-neck.
But I honestly believe that you people create more problems than what you solve. You stir people up, make them believe that life for a wild animal is completely sanitary, and somehow holy, and that the evil government and cattle barons are out there to crucify them like Christ.
Get over yourselves. You want to tell a story? Tell the real story. Life is cruel, everything ends in death, whether by the government's hand, or by predation or starvation, or by their own horns during mating season. Life for a wild animal is a short, endless struggle for survival. There's no such thing as a "good death."
The bison in Yellowstone are fine. If they kill another thousand of them this winter, they'll still be fine. Why don't you put your considerable energies towards a cause that can actually do people some good, like lowering housing costs in Bozeman, or creating a homeless shelter, or a program to get those same people off of the streets and into jobs, or anything else that will make the human "plight" better. I mean, it must be nice to be able to waste time trying to save something that doesn't need saving.
Mike
P.S. Can't wait for that meeting. I'm sure it'll be hoot!
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Friday, February 29, 2008
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heavenabove has left a new comment on your post "Treating bison as family units - a metaphor for ot...":
Jim, thanks for your concern for our buffalo. Also thanks for visiting my blog and sharing my bison rant with others. I am out here in Billings-very much not an activist type of place but perhaps there is something I can do from here. I would love any updates on the teach-in and I may even be able to attend, job permitting.
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Jim, thanks for your concern for our buffalo. Also thanks for visiting my blog and sharing my bison rant with others. I am out here in Billings-very much not an activist type of place but perhaps there is something I can do from here. I would love any updates on the teach-in and I may even be able to attend, job permitting.
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Wednesday, February 27, 2008
[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on Lunar eclipse from Bozeman.
Mike McCord has left a new comment on your post "Lunar eclipse from Bozeman":
You know, I wasn't going to say anything, but now that you mention it, those pictures there do look like the blotchy head of a bald man. With all of the things you can do with Photoshop nowadays, I wouldn't be surprised if ol' Jim isn't pulling another fast one on us here.
Speaking of which, and a little off topic, I was in Yellowstone this past Sunday, going to Cooke City, and I saw all kinds of bison hanging out between the Roosevelt Arch and the Heritage Center, plus a bunch more between the arch and the ranger shack there, and you know what I saw? Or rather, do you know what I didn't saw?
I didn't see one bison being bulldozed, harassed, shot at, or otherwise disrespected in any way, by any park employee. Not outside, the park, nor inside the park. Matter of fact, I didn't even see one snow-plow. Not one.
Granted, even though it was snowing a little bit, the roads were basically clear, but still, between Mammoth and the northeast entrance, there wasn't one plow to be seen. Now that I think about it, I didn't even see any rangers except for in Mammoth. What do you make of that?
Tell you what I did see, though. I saw a bunch of foreign tourists by the Arch trying to get up close and personal with them shaggy critters, until their guide said something them. I saw a bunch of idiots, between Mammoth and Cook City, stop in the middle of the gol' dern road to gawk at a bison here, and an elk there. Some of them animals was just off of the road, and some of them was way out yonder.
Meanwhile I'm to get somewhere. And here's the kicker, most of these boneheads had Montana and Wyoming plates! So you know they've seen elk and bison before.
Now, I'm not against wildlife watching, mind you. I personally enjoy watching environmental activists (particularly the BFC), myself. But that's what the turn-outs are for! They want to stop and take a look-see? Fine. Pull over! Or go to a zoo. I don't care which. Just stay out of my way. The road is for driving, not stopping.
So tell me, Jimmy, where were the rangers and the snow-plows then? I don't believe those snow-plows you talked about were bulldozing bison, they were after these morons who stop and block traffic.
And oh yeah . . . nice pictures of the moon. Sincerely.
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You know, I wasn't going to say anything, but now that you mention it, those pictures there do look like the blotchy head of a bald man. With all of the things you can do with Photoshop nowadays, I wouldn't be surprised if ol' Jim isn't pulling another fast one on us here.
Speaking of which, and a little off topic, I was in Yellowstone this past Sunday, going to Cooke City, and I saw all kinds of bison hanging out between the Roosevelt Arch and the Heritage Center, plus a bunch more between the arch and the ranger shack there, and you know what I saw? Or rather, do you know what I didn't saw?
I didn't see one bison being bulldozed, harassed, shot at, or otherwise disrespected in any way, by any park employee. Not outside, the park, nor inside the park. Matter of fact, I didn't even see one snow-plow. Not one.
Granted, even though it was snowing a little bit, the roads were basically clear, but still, between Mammoth and the northeast entrance, there wasn't one plow to be seen. Now that I think about it, I didn't even see any rangers except for in Mammoth. What do you make of that?
Tell you what I did see, though. I saw a bunch of foreign tourists by the Arch trying to get up close and personal with them shaggy critters, until their guide said something them. I saw a bunch of idiots, between Mammoth and Cook City, stop in the middle of the gol' dern road to gawk at a bison here, and an elk there. Some of them animals was just off of the road, and some of them was way out yonder.
Meanwhile I'm to get somewhere. And here's the kicker, most of these boneheads had Montana and Wyoming plates! So you know they've seen elk and bison before.
Now, I'm not against wildlife watching, mind you. I personally enjoy watching environmental activists (particularly the BFC), myself. But that's what the turn-outs are for! They want to stop and take a look-see? Fine. Pull over! Or go to a zoo. I don't care which. Just stay out of my way. The road is for driving, not stopping.
So tell me, Jimmy, where were the rangers and the snow-plows then? I don't believe those snow-plows you talked about were bulldozing bison, they were after these morons who stop and block traffic.
And oh yeah . . . nice pictures of the moon. Sincerely.
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Thursday, February 21, 2008
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Ya know, Jim, Mike McCord might dispute your photos, claiming they are close-ups of a marble.
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Ya know, Jim, Mike McCord might dispute your photos, claiming they are close-ups of a marble.
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Wednesday, February 20, 2008
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Michael D. Barton, FCD has left a new comment on your post "Lunar eclipse from Bozeman":
Patrick really enjoyed looking at the lunar eclipse.... "Moon" is a newer word for him, so tonight was fun:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7230309@N05/sets/72157603954461697/
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Patrick really enjoyed looking at the lunar eclipse.... "Moon" is a newer word for him, so tonight was fun:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7230309@N05/sets/72157603954461697/
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Sunday, February 17, 2008
[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on Stopping slaughter of buffalo in Yellowstone: What....
Jim Macdonald has left a new comment on your post "Stopping slaughter of buffalo in Yellowstone: What...":
Mike,
Aren't the reasons for overpopulation really part of the same logic that also drove the bison to the point it is now?
Urbanization and the agricultural revolution go hand in hand, don't they?
I'd be interested in your thoughts on that. I am not interested in "getting closer to nature" whatever that is.
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Mike,
Aren't the reasons for overpopulation really part of the same logic that also drove the bison to the point it is now?
Urbanization and the agricultural revolution go hand in hand, don't they?
I'd be interested in your thoughts on that. I am not interested in "getting closer to nature" whatever that is.
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[Jim's Eclectic World] New comment on Stopping slaughter of buffalo in Yellowstone: What....
Mike McCord has left a new comment on your post "Stopping slaughter of buffalo in Yellowstone: What...":
Hey there, Chuckles.
I didn't want you to think that I'd forgotten about ya.
Naaaww, I couldn't do that. I haven't been able to quite pin-point what it is yet, but you amuse the crap out of me.
Anyway, I've been busy, and haven't had the time to do much more than glance at the latest bunch of buffler-loving, boo-hoo nonsense that you've written. But when I do, I'll try to have something "relevant" to say.
Your buddy,
Mike
By the way, I wonder if this other Yahoo is "mentally worn out" over the treatment of chickens and cows and pigs, and whatever else is available at the meat and seafood counters of his local grocery store?
Meat is meat, and those bison/buffalo are treated better than your hamburger. And Jimmy-boy said it himself, there's probably 3,000 more animals in Yellowstone than there needs to be. So where's the problem?
You know, there getting ready to thin out the elk herds in Rocky Mountain National Park outside of Estes Park, Colorado. You going to run down there and protest that too? Or is it just buffalo that deserve special recognition? What makes them so special? It's not like the meat is being left to rot. It's used to feed people who don't always have the means to afford a real steak. The Indians get their share. So really. What's all the crying about?
You want to save something, save the ranchers.
I know, the government is bad because the bison are being sent to slaughter because ranchers don't want bison infecting their herds with brucellosis. I understand that part of the argument. I just happen to think it's baseless. The bigger threat is urbanization.
All you people wanting to get closer to nature are the real threat. You move here, drive the prices of everything up, force ranchers to sell their lands, and then you build your precious little trophy homes all over the place. Next thing you know, there's more condos than cows, and suddenly, they're not shooting buffalo to keep them away from the cattle, they're shooting buffalo to keep them out of your back yard.
The enemy of the American bison isn't the government, or the rancher. It's you. It's me. It's everyone. Too many people = no more places for buffalo, or anything else, to roam.
You want to save something? Save yourself. Figure out a way to control the human population. Figure out a way to make people content on the land they're already on.
Hell, I agree with you now, Jim. Let the buffalo roam!
And keep the people on leashes.
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Hey there, Chuckles.
I didn't want you to think that I'd forgotten about ya.
Naaaww, I couldn't do that. I haven't been able to quite pin-point what it is yet, but you amuse the crap out of me.
Anyway, I've been busy, and haven't had the time to do much more than glance at the latest bunch of buffler-loving, boo-hoo nonsense that you've written. But when I do, I'll try to have something "relevant" to say.
Your buddy,
Mike
By the way, I wonder if this other Yahoo is "mentally worn out" over the treatment of chickens and cows and pigs, and whatever else is available at the meat and seafood counters of his local grocery store?
Meat is meat, and those bison/buffalo are treated better than your hamburger. And Jimmy-boy said it himself, there's probably 3,000 more animals in Yellowstone than there needs to be. So where's the problem?
You know, there getting ready to thin out the elk herds in Rocky Mountain National Park outside of Estes Park, Colorado. You going to run down there and protest that too? Or is it just buffalo that deserve special recognition? What makes them so special? It's not like the meat is being left to rot. It's used to feed people who don't always have the means to afford a real steak. The Indians get their share. So really. What's all the crying about?
You want to save something, save the ranchers.
I know, the government is bad because the bison are being sent to slaughter because ranchers don't want bison infecting their herds with brucellosis. I understand that part of the argument. I just happen to think it's baseless. The bigger threat is urbanization.
All you people wanting to get closer to nature are the real threat. You move here, drive the prices of everything up, force ranchers to sell their lands, and then you build your precious little trophy homes all over the place. Next thing you know, there's more condos than cows, and suddenly, they're not shooting buffalo to keep them away from the cattle, they're shooting buffalo to keep them out of your back yard.
The enemy of the American bison isn't the government, or the rancher. It's you. It's me. It's everyone. Too many people = no more places for buffalo, or anything else, to roam.
You want to save something? Save yourself. Figure out a way to control the human population. Figure out a way to make people content on the land they're already on.
Hell, I agree with you now, Jim. Let the buffalo roam!
And keep the people on leashes.
Posted by Mike McCord to Jim's Eclectic World at 2/17/08 3:43 PM __________________________________________________
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